Abiogenesis (Origins)

by David Turell , Saturday, August 06, 2011, 02:42 (4857 days ago) @ broken_cynic


> "2. Life has never been observed to come from non-life.
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> Ooh, better. This claim is literally true and not a flat-out lie. It's also irrelevant. One of the things you'll discover as you get deeper and deeper into biology is that it's chemistry all the way down. There are no vital agents working away inside a cell, adding intelligent guidance: it's all stoichiometry and reaction kinetics and thermodynamics. -Nice use of big words, going nowhere. Non-life is very different than living material. They are entirely dissimilar. Life involves coordinated activity by millions of enormous molecules, and the very giant difference is that this coordination runs on information in the genome. Life produces its own energy internally. Life reproduces itself. 
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> But it's true that we haven't seen life re-evolving from simple chemicals now, and there's a good reason for that: this planet is now crawling with life everywhere, and life's building blocks that form nowadays don't last long — they're lunch. -This is strawman junk. We don't know if life can pop up from simple chemicals, as PZ notes. We really know only what doesn't work in the laboratory.- 
> But it's an irrelevant objection, anyway. Nobody has shown me god conjuring people out of mud, either. Creationists have their own problem of demonstrating origins, and they aren't even trying to puzzle it out — goddidit, they're done." -PZ Myers-This paragraph of PZ is irrelevant also. But he has pointed out that life is here. And he is right, there are only two choices for 'how', natural chances or a miraculous happening. And another problem is that even if a brilliant scientist makes a form of life in his lab from inorganic matter, what has he really proven? Intelligent design can make life! And we won't even know if that's how it really happened.-My conclusion: the odds against chance are truly astronomical, approaching infinity. I respect your opinion that chance did it. But you have to respect my choice based on my knowledge of biochemisty and genetics that life appears to be a supernatural miracle. PZ's polemics aren't worth anything. Use your reasoning, not his, to reach your own decisions. I promise not to quote anyone to you except scientists quoting their results and their conclusions, and I may well disagree with their conclusions, but agree that their results look valid. We were taught Sir William of O in med school as a way to reach accurate diagnoses. I trust my own brain every time, even if I am the oldest person on this forum and I know my brain is shrinking. ;> ))