Abiogenesis (Origins)
KENT (b_c): We're going around in circles on a couple of points and I'm going to try to condense my various conversations with you (dhw) into one reply. I'm not sure if I'll succeed, I am a wordy bastard.-You're right ... about the circles, I mean. And I'm even wordier than you, though I'm far too polite to myself to call myself a bastard. It would help us both if you could clarify the points of confusion, which I think you can easily identify from our conversations so far. -As regards the PZ Myers quote (thank you for that), I think David has effectively dealt with the science, although as you will see from my post, I was surprised by his conclusion. I would, though, elaborate on one point: Even if life is made of "little tiny plastic bricks", the crucial question for me is not why we haven't seen life re-evolving, but how those little tiny plastic bricks put themselves together in the first place to create the mechanisms for life and evolution. "We just haven't found the formula for a chemical replicator yet." He might have added, "let alone a replicator capable of adapting and innovating as it goes along". If it's simple enough for chance to accomplish, how come our own intelligent designers find it so difficult?-That, of course, is a major and recurring sticking point between you and me, but let me forestall the usual response by agreeing that "creationists have their own problem of demonstrating origins". I am not championing the creationist cause. I do not (cannot) believe in either cause. I shall now look forward to the condensed responses in due course, and will do my best to reciprocate.
Complete thread:
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-01, 13:42
- Abiogenesis - xeno6696, 2011-08-02, 02:00
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-02, 17:03
- Abiogenesis -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-08-02, 23:41
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-03, 00:34
- Abiogenesis -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-08-03, 04:08
- Abiogenesis - broken_cynic, 2011-08-03, 18:09
- Abiogenesis -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-08-03, 04:08
- Abiogenesis - broken_cynic, 2011-08-03, 23:30
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-03, 00:34
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-03, 11:35
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-03, 18:21
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-04, 15:42
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-04, 22:25
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-05, 03:04
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 00:28
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 01:42
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 02:04
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-10, 18:10
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-13, 01:27
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-13, 03:26
- Abiogenesis - broken_cynic, 2011-08-13, 03:41
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-13, 03:26
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-13, 01:27
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-10, 18:10
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 02:04
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 01:42
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 00:28
- Abiogenesis -
xeno6696,
2011-08-09, 18:45
- Abiogenesis - David Turell, 2011-08-19, 15:38
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-05, 03:04
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-04, 22:25
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-04, 20:44
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-04, 23:29
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-05, 20:52
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 01:05
- Abiogenesis - dhw, 2011-08-09, 15:59
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 01:05
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-05, 20:52
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-04, 23:29
- Abiogenesis -
xeno6696,
2011-08-09, 17:48
- Abiogenesis - David Turell, 2011-08-09, 18:11
- Abiogenesis - broken_cynic, 2011-08-10, 00:22
- Abiogenesis-earliest life? -
David Turell,
2011-08-22, 13:31
- Abiogenesis-earliest life? - dhw, 2011-08-23, 16:19
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-04, 15:42
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-03, 18:26
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-04, 21:02
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-04, 23:51
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-05, 03:19
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 00:38
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 01:48
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 02:09
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 05:52
- Abiogenesis - broken_cynic, 2011-08-10, 00:43
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 05:52
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 02:09
- Abiogenesis - dhw, 2011-08-09, 16:07
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 01:48
- Abiogenesis -
xeno6696,
2011-08-09, 18:50
- Abiogenesis - David Turell, 2011-08-09, 18:58
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 00:38
- Abiogenesis - dhw, 2011-08-05, 21:12
- Abiogenesis -
xeno6696,
2011-08-09, 18:29
- Abiogenesis - David Turell, 2011-08-09, 19:28
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-10, 00:41
- Abiogenesis -
xeno6696,
2011-08-10, 00:57
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-10, 01:02
- Abiogenesis -
xeno6696,
2011-08-10, 01:22
- Abiogenesis - broken_cynic, 2011-08-10, 01:43
- Abiogenesis -
xeno6696,
2011-08-10, 01:22
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-10, 01:02
- Abiogenesis -
xeno6696,
2011-08-10, 00:57
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-05, 03:19
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-04, 23:51
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-04, 21:02
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-03, 18:21
- Abiogenesis -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-08-02, 23:41
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-05, 23:31
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-06, 02:42
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-06, 10:56
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-06, 15:50
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-07, 15:50
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-07, 18:15
- Abiogenesis - dhw, 2011-08-08, 15:09
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 01:44
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 15:14
- Abiogenesis - broken_cynic, 2011-08-10, 00:48
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 15:14
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-07, 18:15
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-07, 15:50
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-06, 15:50
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 01:36
- Abiogenesis - David Turell, 2011-08-09, 20:07
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-06, 10:56
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-06, 11:38
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-06, 16:03
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 01:49
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 19:14
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-10, 00:58
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-16, 05:35
- Abiogenesis - David Turell, 2011-08-19, 20:24
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-16, 05:35
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-10, 00:58
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 19:14
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 01:49
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-06, 16:03
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-06, 02:42