Abiogenesis (Origins)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Tuesday, August 09, 2011, 18:29 (4853 days ago) @ broken_cynic

Kent, -I'm still catching up on all of this (and I'm about to take this OT from Abiogenesis) but your words here caught me. -> > DHW: Of course scientists can investigate, and they can assume/hope that they will eventually find a material explanation. But they haven't done so. 
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> KENT: They haven't found an explanation for what? 'Unexplained psychic phenomenon' is a completely empty phrase. Every single 'psychic phenomenon' that has ever been explained has been a trick. Every. Single. One. The fact that an infinite number of them can continue to be posited doesn't show anything. We don't have to knock them all down before certain things start becoming clear. (Just as mathematicians do not have to count all the numbers before reaching the conclusion that there are certain regular patterns in them.) You can say 'but maybe the next one will be different' and technically you're correct, but you're also a fool.
> -The kinds of experiences he's talking about David has discussed in his own book. Not as evidence for a creator, but just unexplained phenomenon. As a prep (don't whip out your 'crock' hammer just yet!) it pertains to OBE/NDE, something to which I've never experienced and am highly skeptical about.-However, these again are part of the world we have been faced with, and some of these claims while being extraordinary--are normal enough and beg to be explained. -There are several reports of Blind people having experienced NDE/OBE. In one example, I recall reading that a blind woman saw a shoe with a hole in it 3 stories above the ER where she was kept. -The social worker she reported this to thought she was nuts, but the woman was so insistent that she went out to go look, and after craning her neck out of a window (the shoe wasn't on an easily accessible location) she discovered the artifact. More cases have involved blind people being able to "see" to the point of detailing the position of each person in the room. (though still being unable to say anything regarding color.)-Taken individually, I would agree, there would appear to be some trick working. -But (and this is a fact I've found interesting...) those who experience NDE's only ever report about seeing dead people. (Of interest, in eastern cultures they tend to see more deities than people.) In some of these cases the temporarily deceased reported seeing dead people that they had no idea had actually died. -I strongly feel that most people don't wish to lie, and while skeptical, I feel that these claims must be addressed. And the sheer weight of people that have experienced them... this is a hell of a trick, or there are alot of people who are pathological liars. -These are the kinds of psychic events that dhw discusses when treading these waters. Myself, I ignored these for so long because of the fact that they are neither reproducible and are highly subjective. But I'm starting to tread into these areas because of my delving the depths of my own consciousness... but that's a different discussion that we've already had!

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