# More Miscellany: Bechly reappears (General)

ID scienceDAVID:

ID believes God used a designed evolution to design humans!!dhw: But they apparently don’t share your belief that we plus food were his one and only purpose, and so he messily and inefficiently had to design and cull 99.9 out of 100 species that had no connection with his purpose.

I don't know. Never discussed.

DAVID:Most are religious, but some like Bechly simply accept the idea of a designer did it.This of course is the major problem for agnostics like myself. The general argument for design and against chance is powerful, but the argument against a nebulous, eternal, unknowable, sourceless designer that has always been there and can create universes is equally powerful. If we skip the question of origin, though, and focus only on evolution, we certainly have an alternative to chance and to divine creation of every species. And that is Shapiro’s theory.

All Shapiro showed was bacteria can edit their DNA. His theory is an extrapolation of that fact.

Duckbill dinosaurs and trans-oceanic dispersaldhw:

Did what? Carried duckbill dinosaurs across the ocean? Or decided to create brand new duckbill dinosaurs “de novo” on the other side of the ocean, as they were so essential for his design of humans and our food?DAVID:

I don't know Bechly's exact thinking. He believes in the designer, so that would probably mean de novo in two places. His main thrust is Darwin is totally inadequate to explain it.dhw: Understandable, but the mystery remains unsolved. Darwin did not claim to have solved all the mysteries - he devoted a whole chapter to "Difficulties on theory" - but individual anomalies do not invalidate the main thrust of his theory, which is common descent, with natural selection determining which organs and organisms survive.

A designer building forward from changes to past forms will create a common descent pattern.

DAVID:God instructs cells how to react in instructions in DNA.dhw:

Your God has planted instructions in every cell for every reaction to every new situation, has he?DAVID:

No, some minor adaptations occur without God.dhw:An organ that “

runs its own show” and “decides what do record and what degree of importance to attach to it” is not a “minor adaptation”.

That is a God design, not a minor adaptation.

Moths fake out batsDAVID: a

gain, it raises the question of adaption by design or by incremental steps of natural evolution. The level of complexity in acoustic science is obvious to us, but at the moth level I think they had designer help.dhw: You simply cannot bear the thought that all forms of life might have the intelligence to work out their own ways of survival.

When well designed by God they survive beautifully.

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