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DAVID: The thoughts are logical. The final leap is not.
dhw: That depends on which of your choices we’re talking about. The thought that an omniscient, omnipotent God would deliberately choose to design and cull 99.9 out of 100 species that had no connection with his one and only goal is illogical/irrational, as is your fixed faith in that theory.
DAVID: Your weird distortion of my theology is not worth discussing, as totally preposterous.
dhw: Please tell us which part of the above theory is a distortion. To be precise: do you now reject your beliefs that (1) we and our food were your God’s sole purpose, 2) that he chose to design and cull 99.9% of past species, 3) that we and our food are descended from only 0.1% of past species, which means the remaining 99.9% were irrelevant to his purpose?
Your invented discussion of the statistics of survival in evolution is wildly illogical. The 99.9% that went extinct led to the 0.1% survivors. That is what Raup told us in his book. All extinction led to current new living forms.
A new consciousness declarationQUOTE:“The empirical evidence indicates at least a realistic possibility of conscious experience in all vertebrates (including all reptiles,amphibians and fishes) and many invertebrates (including, at minimum, cephalopod mollusks, decapod crustaceans and insects.)(dhw's bold)
dhw: The whole point is that they can think for themselves, which suggests that they can design their own lifestyles, strategies and modes of survival. What else would they use their consciousness for? […]
DAVID: But consciousness does not create speciation. […]
dhw: I thought we'd agreed that it does, unless you believe in blind chance. But you think that only your God’s consciousness can do it, and it is unthinkable that even though he gave consciousness to our fellow animals, birds and insects, he might have done the same for
single cells and their communities.DAVID: But not at your cell committee theoretical level.
dhw: “Community” not “committee”. Thank you for publishing all the articles that disagree with you.
DAVID: All views are to be seen.
dhw: We have come a long way since you claimed that Shapiro’s theory was dead and buried.
Shapiro retired but he is still active touting his evolution theory.
BioluminescenceDAVID: light is always helpful, but these organisms don't have eyes. It is a mystery but developments in evolution always have reasons.
dhw: I agree, and one very logical reason is that in one way or another they improve chances of survival. It seems to me highly unlikely that the reason for bioluminescence is that your God (if he exists) considered it to be essential for the evolution of humans and their food, although you tell us that we and our food were his one and only purpose right from the beginning of life.
DAVID: My point exactly.
dhw: Just to clarify: is it now your point that these developments serve the purpose to improve chances of survival? Or do you still think your God couldn’t have designed us and our food without designing bioluminescence for eyeless organisms?
All part of required diversity of forms.
Importance of Microbiomes: skin wound effectsDAVID: These relationships are hard to explain as to purpose. But evolution produces these results for valid reasons. We need to understand the underlying purpose.
dhw: Not so hard to understand if we assume that bacteria, like every other organism, find their own ways to survive. This can clearly involve conflict between different types of bacteria in the great free-for-all – a theory which you accept when it concerns good and bad bugs, but reject when it comes to the countless different species that had no connection with your version of your God’s one and only purpose (us and our food).
DAVID: I'm glad God had that purpose, aren't you?
dhw:The discussion is not about how glad we are to be alive. Which purpose are you talking about now? You seem to be accepting the theory that your God created a free-for-all battle for survival as a means of avoiding boredom, so I don’t know why you reject it as an explanation for the 99.9% of species that were not connected with us and our food.
Back we do to your irrational analysis of evolution. God does not get bored, but your overly humanized form does. When will you learn how to think about a possibly real God?
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