Arguments against Design (General)

by BBella , Friday, August 14, 2009, 16:03 (5578 days ago) @ BBella


> In response to my question about free will, you wrote: "Even if we do have so much free will, or have none, still we are all fairly happy with what we have to be entertained with as long as no one is harming us. As long as there are just so many elements in our play pen then we can only have so much free will."
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> That is not quite what I meant. It's not the limitation of materials available to us, but what we do with those materials that relates to free will. If we are simply part of the UI, which is inside us and directing us, none of our decisions are ours and even our belief that we are real as individuals is an illusion. - None of us hold or have any identity apart from that which we relate with and to. In other words, we are nothing without each other. This being so, just the fact that we all ARE, engenders care for each other if for no other reason than to preserve, or better yet, to grow one-self. My point about free will is why does it matter if we do or we don't have free will? What if we are ONE being operating as many for the good of all, or many beings operating for the good of one (self)? What if we are all directing each other by each decision made, or one directing all by one decision made? It would make no difference either way. Our will is as free as it IS allowed to be, or, as free as we perceive it to be. One way or the other, it appears free to our conscious awareness. How we choose to believe about what appears matters more than what actually is, in my estimation, as that is what guides our own happiness or peace in our everyday life. - >In fact, this ties in with the whole subject of identity, of which will and morality ... now being discussed on The Human Animal thread ... are just a part. It's a broad subject, and perhaps we should start a separate thread on it. - What would be the title of the new thread?