An inventive mechanism (Evolution)

by David Turell , Wednesday, October 08, 2014, 20:21 (3697 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: You are putting across to me what I have been trying to put across to you ever since this discussion began. You have now agreed that there is such a mechanism and have placed it in the genome, which is fine with me (so long as we don't lose sight of the fact that the genome is part of the cell), because I am only concerned with the existence of the mechanism, not with its location...... And if the solution is not preprogrammed, the genome has the same autonomy as the bridge builder.-It seems we are in agreement, now that we are discussing the IM as part of the genome.
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> DAVID: The cell recognizes stimuli and simply reports them to the genome. Just how 'cognitive' is that? I still view the genome as the brains of the cell.
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> dhw: As I have said many times, I am quite happy with this. In the past you have vehemently denied that the cell had the equivalent of a brain (my bold): “You want your cell communities to gain intelligence from experience and then use that intelligence to make changes. Just where is any of that ‘intelligence' stored? Cells don't have brains (as humans do)...” -I view the DNA of a cell as a local control center, not a fully active 'brain' as we have. Remember that DNA from the zygote is very plastic and adapted to each cell for its particular function. What controls the IM is the totality of all the DNA in the whole organism in speciation.-> 
> DAVID: And the genomic solutions are semi-autonomous, as I have proposed. Remember I look at teleology not chance. -> dhw: As for teleology, Darwin chose survival as the purpose of evolution. Previously you have always insisted that its purpose was the production of humans, which ran counter to the higgledy-piggledy nature of the evolutionary bush.-It is not counter to a bush, if the IM is somewhat on its own in originating changes.-> dhw; Our discussion is not about chance v. design, since we are now debating the nature of the mechanism your God may have designed. -But it is. I am not bound to Dariwn's survival approach. i see design and teleology as Wallaace did, from the same evidence/
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> dhw: You are now talking in terms of the inventive mechanism creating as opposed to being preprogrammed. This is very much in line with Talbott's argument as well as my own.-> DAVID: Yes, that is what i've tried to find.-> 
> dhw: That is what I have been proposing to you throughout this discussion.-And I have gotten you into recognizing the central control in the many layers of the genome, some of which are still to be discovered. Note the discussion from the journal Nature I have put into our forum topics.