An inventive mechanism (Evolution)

by Balance_Maintained , U.S.A., Friday, September 12, 2014, 08:15 (3724 days ago) @ David Turell


> > Tony; Firstly, I am not sure how my reasoning makes the bible inconsistent. If you would care to point that out to me, I could probably clarify. As to why he had to do so much planning, I have a counter question. From a biblical standpoint, God created his son directly, and then all other things were created according to God's will/design BY his Son,
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> We are discussing apples and oranges. I noted our different backgrounds. I was born a Jew and use only the OT. That is what I reference in my analysis. -Ok. From Proverbs 8:-22 Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way,+
The earliest of his achievements of long ago.+
23 From ancient times* I was installed,+
From the start, from times earlier than the earth.+ 
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27 When he prepared the heavens,+ I was there;
When he marked out the horizon* on the surface of the waters,+
28 When he established* the clouds above,
When he founded the fountains of the deep,
29 When he set a decree for the sea
That its waters should not pass beyond his order,+
When he established* the foundations of the earth,
30 Then I was beside him as a master worker.+
I was the one he was especially fond of+ day by day;
I rejoiced before him all the time--
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>David: I didn't interpret the 'nose twitch' to mean instantaneous creation of everything. Genesis says there were six stages. I assumed your plannng by God to be a sequential series of events. That has been my problem in thinking about dabbling.
> -The problem is that you are holding the planning and action to be the same thing, and they are not. Doesn't an architect draw up blueprints long before the workers start construction? Once the construction starts, does he do everything at once, or does each thing have an appointed time and order in which it must occur? When building something, don't you sometime have to build up scaffolding or supports that you later tear down when they are no longer needed? Wouldn't failing to do so at the appropriate time prevent you from doing other things, all according to the plan laid out before the first stone was laid? A wise builder starts with a plan, and a plan starts with a goal, a destination, and everything in that plan leads towards that goal, step by step. If something comes up that tries to derail his plan, does he give up, or does he work around it, determined to see his plan through to completion? God is not foolish enough to not have a plan, and is is capable enough to deal with any issues of "time and unforeseen circumstances." -And one last thing about the nature of God as applied to this conversation. We have free will, something we both agreed on. Free will, by its very nature introduces uncertainty. ->In Hebrew, the name Jehovah comes from a verb that means “to become,” and a number of scholars feel that it reflects the causative form of that Hebrew verb. Thus, the understanding .. is that God's name means “He Causes to Become.” .. this definition well fits Jehovah's(YHWH) role as the Creator of all things and the Fulfiller of his purpose. He not only caused the physical universe and intelligent beings to exist, but as events unfold, he continues to cause his will and purpose to be realized.-The point is that he doesn't have to be able to predict the future and no every single event that will ever happen(that would violate free will), but rather, like the skilled architect, when something tries to derail his purpose he has the ability to work around it and fulfill his purpose through other avenues. -
> > Tony: Why did he have to plan so much for the variation in life? He didn't. .....If you want animal life, human life, plant life, on a planet in the goldilocks zone with sweet waters and sweater air that can maintain itself for billions of years and maintain the lives of the creatures living upon it, then you have to plan out the systems to make sure they are correct.
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>David: Agreed, but God, as described, should have been able to do all the planning from the beginning, or he had to step in and adjust. Again, my dilemma.-They are not mutually exclusive, nor should they be. (See Above)

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What is the purpose of living? How about, 'to reduce needless suffering. It seems to me to be a worthy purpose.