An inventive mechanism (Evolution)

by Balance_Maintained , U.S.A., Sunday, August 31, 2014, 08:12 (3736 days ago) @ David Turell

Tony: Polymorphism allows the change within kinds, not invention.
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> > > David: That still leaves us with pre-planning, dabbling or the inventive mechanism has pre-set plans within it.
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> > Tony:Programs can not invent. Period. They can implement anything within the scope of their design, but they can not create new information from whole-cloth. That is the sort of adaptation that we actually observe in nature. It is not inventive. It may move within a broad range of possible values, and different combinations of those value types might give the appearance of invention, but it is not invention.
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> David: I know programs can only do what they are set to do.But that does not exclude God from putting future plans into the genome for later action. This is what I meant by an inventive mechanism.-I guess it is the word "inventive" that throws me. Inventive to me means creating something new, an increase in the available information.

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