Cell Memories (Identity)

by David Turell , Tuesday, August 05, 2014, 22:46 (3544 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw:The alternative I have offered quite explicitly allows for the cell mechanisms to have been designed:
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> 4) Cell communities combined their intelligence (which may have been invented by your God) to design the liver and the billions of other innovations, as and when environmental change demanded or allowed them.-I don't see how these two statements fit together. Original cell intelligence or intelligent information that cells use (in your scenario) to cooperate, can only come from design or by chance. All you have said is 'may have been invented by your God', so does that mean you are excluding chance? And are you excluding the issue that it is a logically enormous stretch that cells write their own plans and then follow them. Kidney cells cannot tell liver cells what to do so that the two organs coordinate. 
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> dhw: In this discussion I am interested only in finding a possible explanation for the innovations which have driven evolution from bacteria to humans. You quite rightly say you don't know. Nobody knows. We can only advance theories.-The only explanation I see, considering the intricacies of the body, is design.-> dhw: You keep telling me what I keep telling you: that innovations demand perfect cooperation between the different cell communities, but you categorically reject divine preprogramming, divine fiddling and random mutations as the force behind this cooperation.-No, I've previously said, in complete lack of knowledge, preprogramming is a possibility as is dabbling by God. I don't believe RM & NS are capable of doing the job. As a guess, pre-programming seem to fit more with the concept of God as a first mover.-> dhw: So what else could bring it [innovations] about if not the intelligence of the cells themselves? -And I ask again, explain how did the cells self-invent such intelligence.- You anwser is:-> dhw:The theist can then argue that only God could have designed such an inventively, cooperatively intelligent mechanism, and the atheist can argue that it came about by chance.-And you reject chance, making the picket fence your only refuge, on what seems to me to be a binary issue.