Cell Memories (Identity)

by David Turell , Saturday, October 26, 2013, 01:45 (3828 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: Why do you say no? 20% is a substantial number, and 80% is the vast majority. We still have to be wary of generalizations.-20% is a large enough number to develop a study. How many of these transplant/memory folks are there? What is the percentage of transplant patients who develop odd memories? If these are isolated stories, good luck in developing a theory from a study. Those are the key questions. Very isolated incidents are just that, fun to think about, but going nowhere.-> 
> dhw: The essential feature of NDEs is that it gives us a pointer to an afterlife (in which you say you believe), and that means individual identity and consciousness survive the death of the cells. Species consciousness does not give us our individual identity, and so you are still stuck with the problem of our personal consciousness being produced by and yet surviving the cells. But the panpsychist-type energy theory may solve it.-Depends upon whose energy it is. Panpsychist theory refers to a universal psychic energy in the original theories. It is a take off on my universal consciousness God theory.
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> dhw: But for some reason, this only happens to 20% of resuscitated patients. I am not casting doubt on the experiences (ditto those reported by some transplant patients), but am merely keeping in mind that there is another mystery here: why do the vast majority of people NOT have them?-How many people are psychic? I've asked that before. You are asking the wrong question. It is why do the 20% have them.-> 
> dhw: Our reality is our own and other people's individual consciousness. NDEs all entail the survival of that individual identity. If it survives the death of the cells, it must be some kind of individualized energy which meets up with other individualized energies (you say the dead communicate by telepathy). Maybe all species generate their own individualized energies. And maybe the universe is filled with individualized energies. And maybe there is no such thing as one universal consciousness, but only an infinite number of individualized energies. Not your favourite theory, but doesn't it fit in nicely with NDEs?-No, but all of this implies the energies are happening at Ruth's quantum level.
What we are discussing in one portion of our reality. We have both a physical and a conscious reality. We are trying to find the source of consciousness and can it survive death. It appears to do so.