Cell Memories (Identity)

by David Turell , Friday, October 25, 2013, 01:54 (3830 days ago) @ dhw


> DAVID: On the other hand these transplant memory stories are suggestive and require more documentation to reach the level we are at in NDE research.
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> dhw: Agreed. NDEs go way back into history, whereas transplants are a comparatively new phenomenon and these stories are only just beginning to come out. No doubt more research will be done on them. We must also keep in mind that the vast majority of patients in both types of case appear to have had no such experience (which should make us wary of generalizations).-No. NDE's occur in about 20% according to Parnia. That is a sizeable number. And he has an active group trying to do OOB research by hiding symbols up on shelves above everyone in the ER or ICU, to find out if the patients are really OOB and spot them!
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> dhw: Like you, I'm fascinated by the implications of NDEs and the apparent independence of consciousness from the cells from which we think it may emerge. You have a problem here, since you seem convinced by "emergence" (which makes the cells the source of consciousness) and yet believe consciousness can survive the cells that create it. -I didn't say it the way you are interpreting it. The brain has consciousness aa an emergent property, whikch may be tghat it acts as a radio receiver for species consciousness while generating its own consciousness. And there is no question that consciousness survives brain cell silence and total inactivity, often for several hours or days, only to return with full resuscitation, and the memories recalled from during that coma-time are not hallucinations but very organized events. I'm glad you liked the mind-reading story. The patients report communication is by telepathy.
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> dhw: Transplant memories, however, suggest that the consciousness of the dead person remains within the cells (and not just those of the brain). If both sets of examples are true (we can only speculate), the answer may perhaps lie in some form of personalized energy that is produced by the cells but can remain both inside and outside them. Species consciousness might be a generalized form of that energy (so perhaps the brain/heart/whatever could be both producer and receiver), or it might be cellular memories handed down through all the generations of species' cells (which makes the brain/heart/whatever a container and a producer). Whatever it may be, though I hate to mention this, we are getting perilously close to some kind of panpsychism.-Yes we are, and it only another form of my favorite theory, that God is the universal consciousness of out reality.