Cell Memories (Identity)

by David Turell , Friday, October 11, 2013, 15:54 (3849 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: Thank you for finding the link. As usual you are more interested in HOW cells communicate than in WHAT they communicate. The stories in this article*** (see below) tell us that memories, experiences and characteristics are contained within the cells, and when the cells are moved into another person, they can change that person's identity. In other words, our cells ARE us. Your belief in an afterlife requires the survival of identity after the death of the cells. But if these are the actual containers of identity, and can even change a person's character by independently communicating with one another, it becomes difficult if not impossible to conceive how the identity itself can survive their death. Your response under "Emergence" was "Simply at a quantum level, in the other level of our reality." I don't understand what this means. -Your complaint about my approach to this problem comes from the fact that I look at what science tells us about the biochemistry of the cell and how they communicate. Then for me Full Stop. This article points out the sugestion that consciousness is somehow carried by transplanted cells to influence the recipient's consciousness. I'm fine with that observation, for it may well be true if van Lommel's theory that the brain is a receiver for consciousness is true. van Lommel's is a reasonable hypothesis for which we have no inkling of proof. I am willing to shift gears when we are at this level of supposition. After all I believe there is universal consciousness and species consciousness. But I can't fathom your insistence that individual cells can sit and plan things together. If they carry (unknown to us) a smidgen of the universal consciousness, then it is that overall entity which is really doing the planning.-You can't have it both ways: independent 'intelligent cells' only show biochemical communication at our level of reality. To do what you want they must be operating at a quantum level carrying the consciousness that the article shows might be present. But if quantum consciousness is what is going on at their level, then they are joined by a universal consciousness which is what I propose. What underlies our perceived reality is the quantum world. To me it is obvious that a "concealed God" is hidden there and creates the reality we have. I'm sure He is smiling at our efforts to understand this. Think of poor Ruth.-> dhw: If the stories are to be believed (and why shouldn't they be?), memories and characteristics are stored in the cells. So do they "escape" from the dead cells, in some form of non-material energy? This would mean that the identity which emerges from the cells, even when we are alive, is non-material (= substance dualism). Is this what you believe? -With universal consciousness pervading everything, yes I can believe.