Cell Memories (Identity)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Saturday, December 14, 2013, 23:55 (3996 days ago) @ David Turell


> > dhw: If chemical transactions are insufficient to produce real intelligence in ants (because chemical transactions between automatons do not produce real intelligence/consciousness), then chemical transactions between the automaton cells in the human brain cannot produce real intelligence/consciousness either. But according to you, they do! Therefore, either automatons CAN produce real intelligence, or cells (and ants) are not automatons. I find Matt's reasoning totally logical.
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> Still very illogical. We still must keep separate intelligently supplied information in cells or ants and the development of analytically developed intelligence for planning purposes. That is a major component of consciousness. Brain neurons and their connections develop both analytic intelligence and consciousness, the former a part of consciousness. We just don't understand how it is done. Ants do not have consciousness, but they are conscious. They can spot remembered landmarks to get back to the nest. I've shown articles about how neurons modify signalling and grow connections to add in memory and new intelligence. They are following supplied programs in their DNA to modify their biochemical reactions. They recognize incoming knowledge and proceed to store it.-Why? It strikes me as quite obvious that the information loop between the outside environment and the neuron is part of an irreducible whole. Either the cells are automatons or they're not. Encoding chemical information that that wolf is going to eat me triggers a cascade of autonomic responses that however you want to slice it, results in the image of the wolf being stored in our neurons. The same neurons are responsible for my making a plan of building a wooden shelter and a fire, getting access to the materials, and ultimately executing the plan.-You're not making your case any stronger here. All of these processes that neurons perform, have finite inputs and outputs, mediated by the existence of multiple kinds of chemicals, but still limited all the same. What you're really saying here, is that a cell is a program that acts intelligently. But like I said before, I can write an unconscious program that acts intelligently. I don't think you're any further out of the mire here.

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