How reliable is science? (The limitations of science)
Sorry for my silence over the last few days, but my wife had to be rushed to hospital and the last few days have been rather stressful. Hopefully things are now under control. With BBella's nasty shock and the medical concerns over Matt's wife (delighted to hear that things are going well), this website may be presenting us with an example of "convergence"!-Matt, I owe you a reply, and although the debate has moved on, the point I wish to make has not lost its relevance. In questioning the reliability of science, I wasn't thinking of technology, which of course has its own built-in criterion for "truth": either it works or it doesn't! My focus is on those branches relevant to our discussion on design versus chance, i.e. is there or isn't there an intelligence running the universe? I chose dating as an illustration because Tony had raised the subject, and it's an important factor in the debate. The design lobby argues that there hasn't been enough time for evolution to reach its present state, and the chance lobby says there has. The shorter the time, the greater the odds against chance, and vice versa. My argument about "constants" was only meant to refer to dating. After reading your post, Matt, I decided to investigate further, and came across this website:-http://www.buzzardhut.net/Crunch/Dating.htm-This is Chapter 6 of a book called The Evolution Cruncher, which I suspect has a Creationist agenda. It's enormously long, and far too technical for me, but it's a scientific critique of current dating methods and it has truly devastating implications. Of course I'm in no position to judge its accuracy, but that is very much the point both Tony and I have been making: the layman has no way of judging the reliability of science. I agree that we have no choice, and in relation to the discussion you're now having with Tony, it's all too obvious that science like most human activities is double-sided, full of goods and bads. That is how God or Nature has made us. However, your defence that eventually science corrects itself doesn't help us a great deal, since at no given time can we ever be sure that the information we're being given (including the corrections) is accurate. We therefore need to regard its findings and above all its speculative conclusions with the Agrippan scepticism admired so much by our very own Xeno!
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- How reliable is science? -
dhw,
2012-04-11, 13:33
- How reliable is science? -
David Turell,
2012-04-11, 15:39
- How reliable is science? -
David Turell,
2012-04-11, 15:51
- How reliable is science? -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-11, 17:27
- How reliable is science? - David Turell, 2012-04-11, 17:56
- How reliable is science? -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-11, 17:27
- How reliable is science? -
xeno6696,
2012-04-11, 22:23
- How reliable is science? -
David Turell,
2012-04-12, 15:43
- How reliable is science? -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-12, 16:54
- How reliable is science? -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-12, 21:52
- How reliable is science? - David Turell, 2012-04-13, 05:19
- How reliable is science? -
xeno6696,
2012-04-14, 14:52
- How reliable is science? -
David Turell,
2012-04-14, 15:23
- How reliable is science? -
xeno6696,
2012-04-14, 16:19
- How reliable is science? -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-14, 19:07
- How reliable is science? -
xeno6696,
2012-04-15, 01:56
- How reliable is science? -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-16, 06:15
- How reliable is science? -
BBella,
2012-04-19, 05:22
- How reliable is science? -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-19, 13:10
- How reliable is science? - BBella, 2012-04-22, 05:49
- How reliable is science? -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-19, 13:10
- How reliable is science? -
BBella,
2012-04-19, 05:22
- How reliable is science? -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-16, 06:15
- How reliable is science? -
xeno6696,
2012-04-15, 01:56
- How reliable is science? -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-14, 19:07
- How reliable is science? -
xeno6696,
2012-04-14, 16:19
- How reliable is science? -
David Turell,
2012-04-14, 15:23
- How reliable is science? -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-12, 21:52
- How reliable is science? -
xeno6696,
2012-04-14, 14:48
- How reliable is science? -
David Turell,
2012-04-14, 15:22
- How reliable is science? -
xeno6696,
2012-04-14, 16:17
- How reliable is science? - David Turell, 2012-04-14, 17:43
- How reliable is science? -
xeno6696,
2012-04-14, 16:17
- How reliable is science? -
David Turell,
2012-04-14, 15:22
- How reliable is science? -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-12, 16:54
- How reliable is science? -
David Turell,
2012-04-12, 15:43
- How reliable is science? -
David Turell,
2012-04-11, 15:51
- How reliable is science? -
xeno6696,
2012-04-11, 22:17
- How reliable is science? -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-12, 01:54
- How reliable is science? -
xeno6696,
2012-04-14, 15:16
- How reliable is science? -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-14, 19:05
- How reliable is science? -
xeno6696,
2012-04-15, 01:23
- How reliable is science? -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-15, 20:29
- How reliable is science? -
xeno6696,
2012-04-16, 00:48
- How reliable is science? - David Turell, 2012-04-16, 15:37
- How reliable is science? -
xeno6696,
2012-04-16, 00:48
- How reliable is science? -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-15, 20:29
- How reliable is science? -
xeno6696,
2012-04-15, 01:23
- How reliable is science? -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-15, 16:29
- How reliable is science? - xeno6696, 2012-04-16, 01:05
- How reliable is science? -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-15, 16:29
- How reliable is science? -
xeno6696,
2012-04-15, 01:23
- How reliable is science? -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-14, 19:05
- How reliable is science? -
xeno6696,
2012-04-14, 15:16
- How reliable is science? -
dhw,
2012-04-15, 12:03
- How reliable is science? - xeno6696, 2012-04-15, 13:52
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 1/7) - xeno6696, 2012-04-15, 14:17
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) -
xeno6696,
2012-04-15, 15:11
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-15, 16:45
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) -
xeno6696,
2012-04-20, 00:22
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-20, 01:24
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) -
xeno6696,
2012-04-20, 03:21
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-20, 14:45
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-20, 18:41
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) -
DragonsHeart,
2012-04-21, 20:32
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) - xeno6696, 2012-04-26, 00:00
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) -
xeno6696,
2012-04-26, 00:10
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-26, 00:59
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) -
xeno6696,
2012-04-26, 01:12
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-26, 01:23
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) -
xeno6696,
2012-04-26, 05:13
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-26, 12:29
- How reliable is science? Status quo -
David Turell,
2012-05-10, 17:10
- How reliable is science? Bias -
David Turell,
2012-05-11, 15:08
- How reliable is science? Bias - Balance_Maintained, 2012-05-12, 01:57
- How reliable is science? Status quo -
David Turell,
2012-05-19, 16:08
- How reliable is science? Status quo -
David Turell,
2012-05-20, 15:05
- How reliable is science? Status quo - dhw, 2012-05-21, 09:05
- How reliable is science? Plagiarism, etc. -
David Turell,
2012-05-21, 18:00
- How reliable is science? Hire by fad -
David Turell,
2012-05-24, 15:33
- How reliable is science? Admitting fraud -
David Turell,
2012-05-25, 15:05
- How reliable is science? Admitting fraud -
David Turell,
2012-05-26, 22:54
- How reliable is science? Admitting fraud -
David Turell,
2012-06-01, 18:28
- How reliable is science? Peer review -
David Turell,
2012-06-24, 22:32
- How reliable is science? Data hidden - David Turell, 2016-01-07, 15:03
- How reliable is science? Zombie papers -
David Turell,
2016-05-02, 14:25
- How reliable is science? Publish or perish -
David Turell,
2016-05-11, 18:42
- How reliable is science? Peer review doesn't help -
David Turell,
2016-10-31, 14:59
- How reliable is science? Publisher pulls papers - David Turell, 2016-11-02, 13:39
- How reliable is science? Political views influence it - David Turell, 2017-06-02, 15:29
- How reliable is science? Peer review doesn't help -
David Turell,
2016-10-31, 14:59
- How reliable is science? Publish or perish -
David Turell,
2016-05-11, 18:42
- How reliable is science? Peer review -
David Turell,
2012-06-24, 22:32
- How reliable is science? Admitting fraud -
David Turell,
2012-06-01, 18:28
- How reliable is science? Admitting fraud -
David Turell,
2012-05-26, 22:54
- How reliable is science? Admitting fraud -
David Turell,
2012-05-25, 15:05
- How reliable is science? Hire by fad -
David Turell,
2012-05-24, 15:33
- How reliable is science? Status quo -
David Turell,
2012-05-20, 15:05
- How reliable is science? Bias -
David Turell,
2012-05-11, 15:08
- How reliable is science? Status quo -
David Turell,
2012-05-10, 17:10
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-26, 12:29
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) -
xeno6696,
2012-04-26, 05:13
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-26, 01:23
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) -
xeno6696,
2012-04-26, 01:12
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-26, 00:59
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) -
DragonsHeart,
2012-04-21, 20:32
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) - xeno6696, 2012-04-25, 23:56
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Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-20, 18:41
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-20, 14:45
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) -
xeno6696,
2012-04-20, 03:21
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-20, 01:24
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) -
xeno6696,
2012-04-20, 00:22
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 2/7) -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-15, 16:45
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 3/7) -
xeno6696,
2012-04-15, 15:30
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 3/7) -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-15, 16:54
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 3/7) - xeno6696, 2012-04-20, 00:26
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 3/7) -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-15, 17:07
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 3/7) - xeno6696, 2012-04-20, 00:33
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 3/7) -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-15, 17:39
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 3/7) -
xeno6696,
2012-04-20, 00:40
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems -
David Turell,
2015-07-22, 19:49
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems -
Balance_Maintained,
2015-07-24, 22:34
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems -
David Turell,
2015-07-25, 02:14
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems -
Balance_Maintained,
2015-07-26, 00:04
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems -
David Turell,
2015-07-26, 01:37
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems -
Balance_Maintained,
2015-07-26, 09:45
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems -
David Turell,
2015-07-26, 16:11
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems -
Balance_Maintained,
2015-07-27, 04:12
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems -
David Turell,
2015-07-27, 14:56
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems -
Balance_Maintained,
2015-07-27, 22:51
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems -
David Turell,
2015-07-28, 00:36
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems -
Balance_Maintained,
2015-07-28, 05:19
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems -
Balance_Maintained,
2015-07-28, 05:24
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems - David Turell, 2015-07-28, 16:32
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems - David Turell, 2015-07-28, 16:30
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems -
Balance_Maintained,
2015-07-28, 05:24
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems -
Balance_Maintained,
2015-07-28, 05:19
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems -
David Turell,
2015-07-28, 00:36
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems -
Balance_Maintained,
2015-07-27, 22:51
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems -
David Turell,
2015-07-27, 14:56
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems -
Balance_Maintained,
2015-07-27, 04:12
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems -
David Turell,
2015-07-26, 16:11
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems -
Balance_Maintained,
2015-07-26, 09:45
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems -
David Turell,
2015-07-26, 01:37
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems -
Balance_Maintained,
2015-07-26, 00:04
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems -
David Turell,
2015-07-25, 02:14
- How reliable is science? radioactive dating - David Turell, 2021-04-14, 01:14
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems -
Balance_Maintained,
2015-07-24, 22:34
- How reliable is science? new carbon dating problems -
David Turell,
2015-07-22, 19:49
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 3/7) -
xeno6696,
2012-04-20, 00:40
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 3/7) -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-15, 16:54
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 4/7) - xeno6696, 2012-04-16, 01:08
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 5/7) - xeno6696, 2012-04-16, 01:20
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 6/7) - xeno6696, 2012-04-16, 01:23
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 7/7) -
xeno6696,
2012-04-16, 01:27
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 7/7) -
dhw,
2012-04-16, 16:47
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 7/7) - David Turell, 2012-04-16, 18:28
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 7/7) -
xeno6696,
2012-04-20, 03:13
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 7/7) -
dhw,
2012-04-22, 20:20
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 7/7) -
xeno6696,
2012-04-23, 23:38
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 7/7) -
David Turell,
2012-04-24, 00:04
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 7/7) -
xeno6696,
2012-04-24, 03:40
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 7/7) - David Turell, 2012-04-24, 05:08
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 7/7) -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-25, 04:30
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 7/7) -
xeno6696,
2012-04-27, 03:00
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 7/7) - Balance_Maintained, 2012-04-27, 12:47
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 7/7) -
xeno6696,
2012-04-27, 03:00
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 7/7) -
xeno6696,
2012-04-24, 03:40
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 7/7) - Balance_Maintained, 2012-04-24, 01:39
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 7/7) -
dhw,
2012-04-24, 19:29
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 7/7) - David Turell, 2012-04-24, 22:12
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 7/7) - xeno6696, 2012-04-25, 23:12
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 7/7) -
David Turell,
2012-04-24, 00:04
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 7/7) -
xeno6696,
2012-04-23, 23:38
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 7/7) -
dhw,
2012-04-22, 20:20
- How reliable is science? (Assumption 7/7) -
dhw,
2012-04-16, 16:47
- How reliable is science? - Balance_Maintained, 2012-04-19, 19:58
- How reliable is science? -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-04-12, 01:54
- How reliable is science? --Anthropology -
xeno6696,
2012-04-15, 03:26
- How reliable is science? --Anthropology -
David Turell,
2012-04-15, 05:25
- How reliable is science? --Anthropology -
xeno6696,
2012-04-15, 13:22
- How reliable is science? --Anthropology -
David Turell,
2012-04-15, 15:42
- How reliable is science? --Anthropology -
xeno6696,
2012-04-15, 18:40
- How reliable is science? --Anthropology -
David Turell,
2012-04-15, 19:27
- How reliable is science? --Anthropology -
xeno6696,
2012-04-16, 00:35
- How reliable is science? --Anthropology -
David Turell,
2012-04-16, 15:33
- How reliable is science? --Anthropology - xeno6696, 2012-04-20, 00:16
- How reliable is science? --Anthropology -
David Turell,
2012-04-16, 15:33
- How reliable is science? --Anthropology -
xeno6696,
2012-04-16, 00:35
- How reliable is science? --Anthropology -
David Turell,
2012-04-15, 19:27
- How reliable is science? --Anthropology -
xeno6696,
2012-04-15, 19:15
- How reliable is science? --Anthropology -
David Turell,
2012-04-15, 19:30
- How reliable is science? --Anthropology - xeno6696, 2012-04-16, 00:36
- How reliable is science? --Anthropology -
David Turell,
2012-04-15, 19:30
- How reliable is science? --Anthropology -
xeno6696,
2012-04-15, 18:40
- How reliable is science? --Anthropology -
David Turell,
2012-04-15, 15:42
- How reliable is science? --Anthropology -
xeno6696,
2012-04-15, 13:22
- How reliable is science? --Anthropology -
David Turell,
2012-04-15, 05:25
- How reliable is science? -
dhw,
2013-02-05, 11:57
- How reliable is science? -
David Turell,
2013-02-05, 15:50
- How reliable is science? Perhaps not very - David Turell, 2015-08-19, 04:56
- How reliable is science? -
David Turell,
2013-02-05, 15:50
- Radiometric Dating -
Balance_Maintained,
2014-10-21, 12:28
- Radiometric Dating -
David Turell,
2014-10-21, 15:51
- Radiometric Dating -
Balance_Maintained,
2014-10-21, 21:24
- Radiometric Dating -
David Turell,
2014-10-21, 22:52
- Radiometric Dating -
Balance_Maintained,
2014-10-21, 23:45
- Radiometric Dating -
David Turell,
2014-10-22, 01:06
- Radiometric Dating -
Balance_Maintained,
2014-10-22, 01:45
- Radiometric Dating - David Turell, 2014-10-22, 02:06
- Radiometric Dating -
Balance_Maintained,
2014-10-22, 01:45
- Radiometric Dating -
David Turell,
2014-10-22, 01:06
- Radiometric Dating -
Balance_Maintained,
2014-10-21, 23:45
- Radiometric Dating -
David Turell,
2014-10-21, 22:52
- Radiometric Dating -
Balance_Maintained,
2014-10-21, 21:24
- Radiometric Dating -
David Turell,
2014-10-21, 15:51
- How reliable is science? -
David Turell,
2012-04-11, 15:39