Tony\'s God (Introduction)
Dhw: My experience is that wherever you go, you will find among ordinary people just as much warmth, humour, empathy etc. as you will find cold and callous self-interest. There is a balance in human nature, but it has been distorted by a now seemingly unchangeable institutionalization of power. We all know that power corrupts, and those who have it are the ones who tip the balance towards what you call “mistakesâ€, whether political, economic, educational, or religious.
DAVID: That is why I wrote the first book. But electorates are at complete fault. They vote for the guy who promises the biggest government trough. It is Athens all over again.
The electorate is generally given the choice between ambitious fallible human beings and ambitious fallible human beings. In many countries there isn’t even a choice of ambitious fallible human beings. You can't always blame the electorate!
Dhw (to Tony, 25.11 at 16.06): That is a misunderstanding brought about by my questioning God’s nature and my suggestion that he’s a mixture of all the attributes – good and bad – that he has poured into us, his image. The mixture is at the heart of all my arguments.
DAVID: God is not mixture, but his creations with free will are.
DAVID (to Tony, 21 November at 06.36): ...my God is not what you want your God to be. Where you have extended logic is you want a loving caring God who can advise you, love you. I don’t know that that God exists.
So how do you know that your God is not a mixture? Grrrr, there was me praising you to the heavens for your balanced view, your reluctance to endow your God with specific attributes, and all of a sudden you come up with an all-good God!
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