Tony\'s God (Introduction)
You are absolutely not disqualified by your belief Bella, though, I would also direct your attention to my other comment in the other segment of this thread.
However, I both agree and disagree with your comments. Yes, God et all could be considered Alien, foreign, non-native to this world. And yes, I agree that God could be considered ALL THAT IS. However, I would also argue that if God, and I use that term here sole as the province of the original, the first cause, etc, is all that is, then it also contains personality, as personality exists. As for needs, like the needs, no it has no needs. I think I specifically pointed that out when I said that there is absolutely nothing that you can give God other than your free choice.
My main argument here, and the entire point of my belief system really, is this:
- We(humans) were created for a specific purpose.
- This act of creation was performed out of love.
- There is a long term plan of corrective action, though the details of such a plan are quite likely beyond our limited comprehension and are at work at a time scale that, because of our limited lifespan, seems to be a burden. However, i speculate that this time frame is not by any means random, but probably is dependent upon certain criteria that must be met for such a thing to be successfully implemented without starting from scratch.
- We were given an opportunity to learn how to accomplish that task perfectly.
- We refused the proffered training in favor of doing things our own way, and thus accepted accountability for all choices that we may make.
- We are accountable for all that has occurred since that time.
- God is not responsible for our poor choices.
- Because of our lack of understanding and our imperfect knowledge, it is highly improbably that we can ever adequately understand the actions that God takes to fulfill or advance whatever prerogative he chooses.
- Sin is not a matter of good and evil, but a simple case of what is right(without any context of morality) and what is wrong(without any context of morality).
- Morality is an extension of this ideal that consists of a set or preferences for things that have been tested over time and deemed either controversial or damaging to the individual, community, environment, or species.
- Inherited Sin is equivalent to compounded mistakes. An incorrect idea passed down from teacher to student. These mistakes often have physical counterparts that affect our very physical existence and thus are further compounded as they become genetically degrading.
- Because of our imperfect understanding, this damage is irreversible by any means which humanity now possess, or will ever possess in the future, that has been derived from our own knowledge.
I hope that clears up some of my arguments.
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What is the purpose of living? How about, 'to reduce needless suffering. It seems to me to be a worthy purpose.
Complete thread:
- Tony\'s God -
dhw,
2011-11-19, 17:59
- Tony\'s God - Balance_Maintained, 2011-11-19, 18:40
- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-19, 19:37
- Tony\'s God -
DragonsHeart,
2011-11-19, 19:58
- Tony\'s God - Balance_Maintained, 2011-11-19, 20:16
- Tony\'s God -
dhw,
2011-11-20, 19:49
- Tony\'s God -
dhw,
2011-11-20, 19:53
- Tony\'s God - Balance_Maintained, 2011-11-20, 22:40
- Tony\'s God - Balance_Maintained, 2011-11-20, 22:43
- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-20, 22:45
- Tony\'s God -
dhw,
2011-11-21, 17:45
- Tony\'s God -
DragonsHeart,
2011-11-21, 18:04
- Tony\'s God -
dhw,
2011-11-22, 17:34
- Tony\'s God - Balance_Maintained, 2011-11-22, 17:49
- Tony\'s God -
DragonsHeart,
2011-11-22, 17:55
- Tony\'s God -
dhw,
2011-11-23, 14:33
- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-23, 20:38
- Tony\'s God - dhw, 2011-11-24, 18:20
- Tony\'s God -
BBella,
2011-11-23, 21:34
- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-23, 21:56
- Tony\'s God -
BBella,
2011-11-27, 22:31
- Tony\'s God -
BBella,
2011-11-27, 23:30
- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-28, 13:40
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- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-28, 13:40
- Tony\'s God -
BBella,
2011-11-27, 23:30
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BBella,
2011-11-27, 22:31
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- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-23, 21:56
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Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-23, 20:38
- Tony\'s God -
dhw,
2011-11-23, 14:33
- Tony\'s God -
dhw,
2011-11-22, 17:34
- Tony\'s God -
David Turell,
2011-11-21, 18:15
- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-21, 18:54
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- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-21, 18:54
- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-21, 18:44
- Tony\'s God -
dhw,
2011-11-22, 17:41
- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-22, 18:02
- Tony\'s God -
dhw,
2011-11-23, 14:46
- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-23, 21:02
- Tony\'s God -
dhw,
2011-11-24, 18:53
- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-25, 00:05
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Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-25, 03:15
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Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-25, 03:26
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dhw,
2011-11-25, 16:06
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Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-25, 23:46
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dhw,
2011-11-26, 17:44
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Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-26, 18:57
- Tony\'s God -
dhw,
2011-11-27, 16:01
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- Tony\'s God -
dhw,
2011-11-27, 16:01
- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-26, 18:57
- Tony\'s God -
dhw,
2011-11-26, 17:44
- Tony\'s God -
David Turell,
2011-11-28, 05:35
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dhw,
2011-11-28, 17:17
- Tony\'s God - David Turell, 2011-11-28, 18:24
- Tony\'s God -
dhw,
2011-11-28, 17:17
- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-25, 23:46
- Tony\'s God -
dhw,
2011-11-25, 16:06
- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-25, 03:26
- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-25, 03:15
- Tony\'s God - David Turell, 2011-11-28, 01:10
- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-25, 00:05
- Tony\'s God -
dhw,
2011-11-24, 18:53
- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-23, 21:02
- Tony\'s God -
dhw,
2011-11-23, 14:46
- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-22, 18:02
- Tony\'s God -
dhw,
2011-11-22, 17:41
- Tony\'s God -
DragonsHeart,
2011-11-21, 18:04
- Tony\'s God -
dhw,
2011-11-21, 17:45
- Tony\'s God -
dhw,
2011-11-20, 19:53
- Tony\'s God -
DragonsHeart,
2011-11-19, 19:58
- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-19, 19:56
- Tony\'s God -
BBella,
2011-11-19, 23:08
- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-20, 01:05
- Tony\'s God -
David Turell,
2011-11-21, 02:39
- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-21, 02:58
- Tony\'s God -
David Turell,
2011-11-21, 06:36
- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-21, 15:10
- Tony\'s God - David Turell, 2011-11-21, 17:35
- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-21, 15:10
- Tony\'s God -
David Turell,
2011-11-21, 06:36
- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-21, 02:58
- Tony\'s God -
David Turell,
2011-11-21, 02:39
- Tony\'s God -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-11-20, 01:05
- Tony\'s God -
BBella,
2011-11-19, 23:08