Tony\'s God (Introduction)
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My main argument here, and the entire point of my belief system really, is this:
- We(humans) were created for a specific purpose.
There is little doubt in my mind that the above sentiment is true. Yet, who created us and what for I'm not sure. It is like a tomato being grown in a farmers garden. It says to itself - That farmer is cultivating me and could be my creator, yet I know not for what? We are like a tomato in the aliens gardens...we may be cultivated for a purpose. Yet, even if they spliced the genes and created us for a purpose, "they" are not "The" Creator God - the sentient being of ALL THAT IS - and so, do not have sole creative licence over us or our purpose. Neither does "The" ALL THAT IS. Because that is not the sentient nature of creation, to have power or purpose over ALL.
[*]This act of creation was performed out of love.
I, personally, do not believe the purpose we were created by the "gods" was out of love. But, I believe love itself is a powerful creative force that drives, emotionally, the sentient nature of ALL THAT IS. It may be even the most powerful creative emotion that IS.
We can only hope, and I share this hope with you, that those that did create us, playing the part of the gods of the scriptures, did have love in mind for our creation. But my hope is not placed into those "gods," but the power of LOVE itself.
[*]There is a long term plan of corrective action, though the details of such a plan are quite likely beyond our limited comprehension and are at work at a time scale that, because of our limited lifespan, seems to be a burden. However, i speculate that this time frame is not by any means random, but probably is dependent upon certain criteria that must be met for such a thing to be successfully implemented without starting from scratch.
If, you are talking about the afterlife above, or what happens to "souls" after they die, I personally do believe in a type of reincarnation and an afterlife. But my belief has nothing to do with the "gods" who created us, but in the sentient being that we are and our own creative desires which have the ability to manifest an afterlife for our soul.
[*]We were given an opportunity to learn how to accomplish that task perfectly.
This can be seen from two perspectives: We can look at the scriptures and go by its teachings and say, this was our God teaching us from long ago and our first fathers/ forefathers didn't listen and now we suffer for it. Or, we can recognize, as you've said before and/or since, we see the patterns of ALL THAT IS, given directly to us, and learn from those patterns how things ARE and work within the flow of that framework, or against it.
One way, narrowly looks to those imperfect "gods" of our forefathers in the scriptures and try to decipher or glean from their teaching the best way to look and walk in life that gets us the furthermost or helps us to feel like we are "living" right. The other, recognizes that everything we observe, within and without, is our teacher,
[*]We refused the proffered training in favor of doing things our own way, and thus accepted accountability for all choices that we may make.
Seen from the perspective of our teachings from the scriptures? I disagree in one sense but agree in another. In life, their is wisdom we can glean from anything we observe for any length of time, including the sacred scriptures. But, we become limited by any one book or teacher when we focus solely from that one perspective, even if we choose to observe other teachings, but with the eyes of limitation seen from one teachings perspective, we become limited by that perspective. The sacred teachings, especially, tend to have that effect on people, from my perspective.
[*]We are accountable for all that has occurred since that time.
I disagree. I believe I am only personally accountable for what my personal soul takes responsibility for. Of course, if I choose to take responsibility for what has occurred since time began...then that would be true for me. The sentient being of ALL THAT IS, would honor that.
[*]God is not responsible for our poor choices.
I believe "The" Creator is responsible for ALL THAT IS, in the greater sense, that without the sentient nature of ALL THAT IS, we wouldn't be. But, when it comes to our own personal choices, being that we "are" all ALL THAT IS, and, at the same time, are free will agents within the boundaries of our soul being... in the sense, I am a tomato and have freedom to be all that a tomato can be, we are all personally responsible for all our own choices. We have the freedom, within the creative matter of being, to choose goodness above badness.
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