Science vs. Religion: (Chapter Two) [David vs. Guth et al] (Humans)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Saturday, February 19, 2011, 23:30 (5025 days ago) @ xeno6696

I would really like to know--why you think you "have to choose." Part of it is pressure, as you said in your introduction, but forgive me for being blunt, isn't it weak to give in to pressure of this kind? There's more here, you're not by any stretch a weak man. -You ask some powerful questions, sure. "What exists before the Big Bang." Your criticism of the ideas of the "quantum froth" that I was discussing before are salient. At the time before the bang, we had the singularity, and any equations we're aware of cease to be--theoretically including the froth. -However I question the underlying validity of this question. What reason do we have to believe that this is the only bang? I ask this because if we step outside of science, there are plenty of people who have experienced deja vu. In my own case I've dreamt things, and when the event happened (always something inane, unfortunately) I was instantly reminded that this exact scene came from a dream. In fact in my old age it even gets so bad that in the dream I recognize that it's a 'deja vu' dream and my exact thoughts carry over when the dream becomes reality. The only two propositions that make sense is 1) the universe really does follow long cycles of repetition or 2) that perhaps consciousness really is some kind of fundamental part of the universe. In both cases I am without an actual explanation beyond the fact that I've experienced something that terribly strange.

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"