Seconded. (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Sunday, September 19, 2010, 04:32 (4968 days ago) @ romansh

OK properties necessary for free will
> 1) to exhibit or experience will or wants. (Do zombies have consciousness?)
> 2) that will should be independent of the universe.
> 
> The one thing I an aware of, the definition I'm using defines free will out of existence. Unless we are all possesed by magical gods called souls which direct our chemistry and physics? And even then there is some doubt these souls would not succumb to cause and effect. Alternatively we can define free will in a way which defines it into existence, by giving it properties (or a definition) that are a reflection of our experience of free will. Hence my use of the word "anthropic".-As for zombies--without meaning to sound pedantic--what kind of zombies are we talking about? Romero-type zombies? Or Voodoo zombies? -So; the definition you're using is what I would say is one that isn't possible. I read free will as being able to decide or innovate upon existing options, replete with the ability to choose to do nothing, or to make the situation worse. But there are still constraints; maybe I'm just hitting the same problem you have. Something within the universe can't exactly independent of the universe.

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"