Free Will (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Sunday, September 12, 2010, 05:05 (5185 days ago) @ romansh

But a better question would be for me to challenge you on how free will can exist without consciousness. I do not see how they are separable.
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> Funnily enough I agree with this statement strongly! This why I continue to avoid "consciousness" in my definition.
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> If we come to the conclusion we do not have free will, then our perception of consciousness is not what it seems. If we have no free will then what is my "self" that rattles around in my brain that thinks it does have free will?-I can understand your hesitation--but I come from the world of mathematics: and just like a triangle cannot be a triangle if it has more or less than three lines, neither can free will exist without consciousness. In some things we need to be comfortable with axioms--statements that are true because they must be. -This part will be old hat to the other regulars, but considering that I am aware that "a thought comes when IT wills" and not when I will it--I understand that the concept of "free will" is one that necessarily has some constraints. But this shouldn't shock anyone.

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"