Seconded. (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Monday, September 06, 2010, 17:00 (5191 days ago) @ dhw

I have defined free will as "an entity's conscious ability to make decisions independently of constraints beyond the control of that entity".
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> MATT: No - I didn't mean to forget you, but I would say your definition certainly encompasses the criteria I set forth. It gives us an upper and lower bound.
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> Thank you. The main stumbling block between Romansh and myself seems to be the inclusion of consciousness in the definition. I find the whole concept of free will inconceivable without it, but it would be interesting to know if others agree.-It's an interesting discussion, I think the questions to then consider is "What are the properties necessary for free will, and can we account for them without relating to consciousness?"-I too do not see how it is possible to discuss free will without consciousness, because consciousness itself is something that is a necessary condition for us to even be able to ponder the question. They are inexplicably intertwined.

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"