Panpsychism Makes a Comeback in a different form (General)

by David Turell , Wednesday, January 23, 2019, 19:14 (1919 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Coming out of inorganic matter, life seems to be a miracle. The appearance of human consciousness is another miracle. "an unknown immaterial universal consciousness that has been there for ever and ever…" is not unreasonable to explain the miracles.

dhw: In that case it is not unreasonable to argue that in an eternity and infinity of matter and energy forming new combinations, eventually there will be one that engenders rudimentary consciousness from which may evolve greater and greater consciousnesses.

DAVID: Wishful thinking. Life must appear first for consciousness to occur, and you assume it was spontaneous. You have faith in the powers of infinity. Fine tuning looks certainly like a designed process.

dhw: "Life must appear first for consciousness to occur", and yet consciousness created life. And you assume that consciousness was always there but it wasn’t there until consciousness created it. You have faith in the powers of topsy-turvy. But yes, fine tuning looks like a designed process, and I do not have faith in the powers of infinity. I consider both “first causes” to be equally reasonable/unreasonable. For some reason you keep forgetting that I am an agnostic.

I fully remember you are an agnostic. An ever-present God with consciousness as a starting point is only topsy-turvy if God is impossible to accept as the originator, which is your implacable position