Quantum Physics: Lights Frozen in Time (General)

by David Turell , Saturday, August 20, 2016, 16:21 (3015 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: I am not querying our knowledge of the properties of known particles, and I am not querying the fact that consciousness affects the behaviour of known particles! I just don't see how this proves that they are all part of a plan, let alone an integrated plan, let alone an integrated plan which strongly suggests that God exists. -That is my conclusion, which cannot be proven.
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> DHW: For me, the fact that physical reality can only be observed subjectively does not mean there is no objective physical reality. It simply means that we cannot know what that objective reality is. 
> DAVID: Reality is behind the quantum wall of probability. This is what Ruth Kastner was trying to tell you.
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> dhw: Please explain how this statement contradicts my own.-It doesn't. We will always be separated from ultimate reality.
> [/i]-> DAVID: They are referring to known examples of 'late choice' experiments when a late decision changes the beginning results! Conscious choice changes results since quanta can be several things at once.
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> dhw:bI know what they are referring to. But from these experiments they conclude that the whole of our everyday reality may be an illusion, and that we can shape it as we wish. If you accept this, please give me a concrete example of an everyday physical, perceivable reality outside yourself which you can change through your consciousness alone.-I can't and you can't. It is only seen in experiments of quantum manipulation.-> DAVID: They are making the point that photons (perhaps over-making it), are everywhere. Just as in life protons are everywhere carrying the energy of life.
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> dhw: I have no problem understanding that photons and protons are everywhere, but I'm afraid that doesn't resolve my confusion concerning all the above. -It is not clear to me either, just a mystical proposal.
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> dhw: Why must an apparent figure contain information about the entire universe? If it does carry all that information, why can't actual matter and actual energy do the same?-They can. At times you try for deeper meanings. These are all just some folks theories that don't really explain anything
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> QUOTE: What these concepts tell us is that, at the heart of our universe, there are no separate parts to anything, and that everything is connected to everything else-> 
> dhw: What are you saying ”no” to? I was enthusing over the fact that science (“true quantum facts”) was LINKING UP with philosophy etc., by confirming that everything is connected to everything else, as in certain eastern religions. -I'm looking at physical links. The whole universe is connected, but philosophic links are a connection I didn't recognize in what you wrote.-> dhw: I don't know how much light will be shed on these mysteries by studies of the quantum world, but somehow I doubt that all quantum physicists will eventually conclude that there is a God hiding behind the “quantum wall of probability”.-Yes, there will never be proof of it, but our entire reality is based on a quantum foundation.