DILEMMAS: A Response to DHW (Evolution)

by David Turell , Saturday, November 22, 2014, 01:16 (3653 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: Some birds and butterflies migrate and others don't, depending on the climate. Therefore the only basic pattern is the butterfly/bird deciding for itself whether to migrate or not, and deciding for itself where to go. In other words, your God provided the butterflies and the birds with an inventive mechanism which enabled them to create their own “complex lifestyle”, to be passed on to succeeding generations. -How do you know that God only developed generic butterflies, and not two kinds of butterflies, ones that migrate and ones that don't. Note that Mexico is mild. why should the monarchs fly north at all? 
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> dhw: You have left out the main thrust of my argument! I repeat: Unless it has been given ALL the information (preprogrammed) right at the very beginning to cope with or exploit (= adapt or innovate) every single conceivable environmental change, either it has to exercise its own inventiveness, or your God has to dabble.-That is the point of Spetner and my view: most of the information is on board from the beginning. An IM or NREH can provide adaptations as nature and environment challenge because they have the information and guidelines to do so. I'm accepting the idea that God doesn't have to dabble.-> dhw; My point here was that the balance of life argument is a tautology, which is a different subject. -You view the 'balance of life' issue differently than I do. Of course it goes in and out of balance, but the balance is required for life to continue. Tautological, not really, required since all but the highest forms eat or are eaten, and the lower forms must be available in proper ratios. -Still working on Wagner. He writes with broad knowledge of everything not really related, with a conversational tone that makes for easy perusing, and glibly ignores what he needs to ignore to declare that his approach is wonderful and will answer Darwin's dilemmas, faster mutation rates being the major problem faced. More later.