DILEMMAS (Evolution)

by GateKeeper , Thursday, October 30, 2014, 17:24 (3675 days ago) @ dhw

GATEKEEPER: I think dna solves for every solution it can at a given time. For example I think It is actually solving for future climates that may or may not arise.
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> Thanks for joining in. I'd just like to clarify the above point. In my hypothesis, what we are calling the inventive mechanism (the “brain” in the genome) may do two things: adapt to the new conditions (necessary for survival), or exploit them to create new forms (that's the really inventive bit). In both cases there is a response to the new environment. But I can't see it planning for FUTURE environments that may or may not arise. It has the potential to act in response to future change, but it won't do so until the change takes place. Of course a major change will result in the extinction of many organisms, but the lucky ones will have an IM that can adapt or innovate!-I agree. But I wouldn't use just "or". I would say "and" and "or". The "brain" or "IM" then would be this "god" they are talking about to me. "they" just are getting the characteristics or traits wrong. Like saying Newton has a great man. I think Newton was sick jerk that understood physics. But I understand how some, more limited humans, could worship him.-I don't have the answer to "adopt" or "exploit". I see it as both, over all that is. Life adapts to and exploits. Asking if it is one is like asking if your left leg or your right leg does the walking to me. All life exploits its surroundings until something stops it. "exploiting" cost less energy for the most part too. And All life has adapted. Look at "fat" people, they would have a better chance in the cold to breed without technology than thin people. So if the climate gets colder then there are/would be more fat people. So after the event it looks likes the trait "responded to" the climate change. But if we look at the population before the event I think we would probably see the "weight curve" or "%fat concentration" shifting to better survive the cold.-maybe We could do the same for Hair. Maybe the life would get so big and hairy it would enter the water. Lose hair and get fatter but still need air. How about space men in space? How fast would their bodies change? If they breaded in space they may survive the change. Maybe after some time they could not breed with earth humans. -The question, does the change in protein concentration come first or does the code come first? I don't know. For me it comes down to "can a more complex system arise from a less complex system?" I do not see one example of "more complex" arising from "less complex". Not one. 
 
Now, Does this "more complex" system know we are here? I am ok with "yes" if one needs that. I am ok with "no" if one needs that too. If I may speak for you two, None of us think it is ok to "tell" others what they must "feel" about it.-As for "quick changes" A single cell to human in 10 months? Is there anything quicker than that? Caterpillar into a butterfly? That's quick too. So yes, DNA not only can do it; it does it. but More complex from less complex? I do not know, or have not seen one example of it.