God and Energy (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by dhw, Monday, June 09, 2014, 16:34 (3601 days ago) @ GateKeeper

GATEKEEPER: Where I disagree with you is that I state...the "daddy" and the "brother" do not exist. This statement can be taken to any level of philosophy. These levels are convergent, thus "more reasonable" to me."-I assume you are referring to my statement that both your daughter and your brother have direct experience of you (whereas we do not have direct experience of God). Again, it would be helpful if you would put the quote and your comment next to each other instead of reproducing the whole of the previous post in one block. Thank you.-You go on to say:"If my brother tries to show you "me", do you see his "me"? ...Is that "view" the real me?" Of course the answer to both questions is no, because nobody knows the "real" you or me. We don't even know ourselves, because we cannot possibly undergo every experience that would reveal every potential of the "real me". But that doesn't mean we don't exist, or even that the characteristics we think we know are unreal. The very fact that you and I are exchanging views is sufficient evidence for me to assume that you do exist, even if I don't "know" you. The same cannot be said of God. It's true that some people see evidence of his existence in life itself (and some even claim to experience God directly), but that evidence doesn't have the apparent objectivity of an exchange of ideas that can be viewed and confirmed by thousands of observers. Consensus is the nearest we can get to objectivity, and it then comes down to subjective degrees of conviction.