God and Energy (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by dhw, Friday, June 06, 2014, 12:50 (3583 days ago) @ GateKeeper

May I plead with you again, GK, to reproduce that part of the preceding post which you are commenting on. Otherwise, it's difficult for us all to know what you're referring to.-Gatekeeper: On headway. it is not useful to link to the first sentence. It is describing a trait that is unknown. Everything else after that is a problem. 
So ... meanwhile ... you guys have: 
"pure energy" is unknown + "consciousness" is unknown = ???
So we have a conclusion "yes" or "no" based on an unknowns? In order to make headway you have to modify your conclusions. They are not valid when based on unknowns. Two important ones at that.
You guys seem to be in an endless loop to me. I base that on the number posts. Which is known.-It is certainly an endless loop, because none of us can ever know the truth. But you have misunderstood the basis of this discussion, which is not unknown + unknown = conclusion. It's if x and y are true, then z is true. All hypothetical. It should be clear to you that I'm an agnostic precisely because I can't draw any conclusions. But what I can do is discuss the nature and implications of other people's conclusions, which is why for the moment I'm building on David's belief that all the matter in the universe has sprung from pure energy (x), and that God is pure intelligent energy (y). If we put the two theories together, we have the scenario that BBella has vividly summarized for us. This has ramifications which I would like to follow, but the argument has to proceed a step at a time, and will also include other theories.-Again as an agnostic I fully accept your point that you cannot base conclusions on unknowns ... but theists and atheists alike do precisely that. You have told us that you yourself are a believer, so you must have done it too! Won't you stick to your philosophical principles and join me on the fence? Or at least tell us why you have drawn your theistic conclusions?


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