God and Energy (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by dhw, Saturday, June 07, 2014, 11:34 (3821 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: ... Please remember that I am, for the sake of argument, accepting your thesis that God is quantum energy particles acting consciously, and that "pure energy" creates matter. As BBella has put it so succinctly, your panentheism is the belief that your God "is within and without all that is". This means that conscious quantum energy particles are within all matter, which is a form of panpsychism that we'll return to in due course....Are you still in agreement, and if not, why not? -DAVID: This state of agreement is just fine. Remember I dismiss the Bible's descriptions of God as man made. And I arrived a long time ago at panentheism as the best fit. Let's continue.-I'd like first to substitute "intelligent" for "conscious" in order to avoid the problems we had before in equating consciousnessness with self-consciousness. If intelligent quantum energy particles are within all matter, then it would seem pretty absurd to argue that matter of whatever kind is devoid of intelligence. And it seems to me that there wouldn't be much point in particles being intelligent if they didn't use their intelligence. So if it's true that energy creates matter, it's not unreasonable to assume that this creation takes place through intelligent quantum energy particles working together.
 
This brings us to a problem. Experience suggests that different forms of matter have varying degrees of intelligence. We can't prove it, but I hope you and others will agree that humans seem to have a greater degree of intelligence than chimps than earthworms than dandelions than rocks than grains of sand. If God's quantum energy particles are within all that is, why this apparent wide range of intelligence? In your post of 5 June at 18.35, regarding God's use of his own particles to create matter, you wrote: "Since we do not understand, and may never understand the quantum level of reality that works just fine." Sooner or later we will always come up against the same barrier: we don't know how or why things work the way they do. Perhaps your answer here would simply be that your God wanted it this way. However, there are alternative hypotheses which I will come to later, though you may well have worked them out already.
 
What we now have, then, are particles of intelligent energy that link together and form various kinds of matter. In an on-going process, these different kinds also link together, and so the most elementary matter evolves greater complexity as the different particles of energy combine their different intelligences. The parallel is to be seen in all forms of life, which through evolution develop ever greater levels of complexity ... each one brought about by the quantum energy particles combining their different intelligences, in this case from within organic cells.-Again I'll break off in case you have any objections so far.