God and Energy (The nature of a \'Creator\')
dhw: I'm merely pointing out that if God is pure energy, and he used pure energy to make matter, then the particles of energy he used must have been himself, and all the processes you have been referring to as the current theories (such as virtual particles being transformed into a vacuum bubble) must have been the way your God used himself to create the matter we now know. What else could he have used, since according to your scenario nothing else existed? I still don't know why this thought bothers you ... unless it's a reluctance to think of divinity in terms of gluons, quarks and plasma.-DAVID: Your proposal is fine with me so long as the description remains as superficial as you have outlined. What I found troubling is your inferential asking for a precise mechanism for God and how he might be organized. I would go so far as to say: quantum energy particles acting as a consciousness is God. Since we do not understand, and may never understand the quantum level of reality that works fine.-I don't recall asking for a precise mechanism etc., but thank you for this, which enables me to move to the next step. Please remember that I am, for the sake of argument, accepting your thesis that God is quantum energy particles acting consciously, and that "pure energy" creates matter. As BBella has put it so succinctly, your panentheism is the belief that your God "is within and without all that is". This means that conscious quantum energy particles are within all matter, which is a form of panpsychism that we'll return to in due course. The implications of this are huge, but again we must proceed one gentle step at a time. Are you still in agreement, and if not, why not? -(A note to Gatekeeper: I am developing a hypothesis, not stating facts.)
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