God & Particles (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by David Turell , Sunday, June 08, 2014, 16:33 (3603 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: So if it's true that energy creates matter, it's not unreasonable to assume that this creation takes place through intelligent quantum energy particles working together.
> DAVID: ... It doesn't require intelligence at this basic level.[/i]
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> dhw: If your first cause is conscious/intelligent quantum energy particles that form matter, and are within and without matter, the only logical conclusion from your comment is that your God had nothing to do with the formation of elementary matter particles. -No, God's intelligence is always behind what happened and what was planned. I don't, and cannot know, how much God permeates everything. 
 
> dhw: This brings us to a problem. Experience suggests that different forms of matter have varying degrees of intelligence...-> DAVID: I agree that living matter has differing degrees of intelligence based on brain complexity, but inorganic matter does not have intelligence.
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> dhw: I don't have a problem with the theory that inorganic matter has no intelligence. I'm trying to tease out the logical implications of your own theories.-We have a zoo of particles, but no underlying understanding of why they are the way they are, yet they have created this universe which is fine-tuned to allow life and us. I can see purpose, but I'm sure you don't-> 
> dhw: We are not discussing the mysteries of quantum processes but the concept of God as quantum energy particles acting consciously and being within and without all that is. ...you now appear to be saying that the conscious/intelligent quantum energy particles you call God have nothing to do with and are not present in inorganic matter, and only "may" play a role in the evolution of organic life.-No, I am not saying that. My concept is that God acts through quantum mechanics and has planned the whole arrangment. Quanta are present in all matter, living and inorganic. God is hidden in the quantum level of reality.-> 
> dhw: Thank you for the article confirming that the current theory is for energy alone to have existed after the BB, which would also confirm that energy made matter. -I'm glad that issue is settled. If current cosmologic theory changes I will modify my theory of God.