How epigenetics works (Introduction)
by David Turell 
, Saturday, January 12, 2013, 22:38 (4123 days ago) @ dhw
DAVID: It is as if God said let's throw everything at the fan and see where it lands...-> dhw:Exactly. If God exists, this is a scenario that fits in perfectly with the higgledy-piggledy bush. We agree at last!-Up to a point. So far so good. > > DAVID: My point about complexity at the very beginning of life is that the earliest cells had to be complex or they couldn't really BE Alive. -> dhw:I have never disagreed.-> > David: Chance cannot create that complexity. Therefore, God did it. Therefore there is a God. From my viewpoint it is a simple set of reasonable steps to that conclusion.-> dhw:I have always shared your scepticism about chance. Unfortunately, there are two separate non-beliefs involved. You and I cannot believe in chance. At the same time I cannot believe in an equally unlikely, eternal, immaterial power that has either always been conscious or has somehow generated its own consciousness (see Tony's response to BBella under "Love me", 11 Jan. at 03.17). You can. That's why you are a theist and I am an agnostic!-But what choice do you really have? Something got all of this reality started. There can't be something from nothing. You don't buy pure chance. Where did chance events come from? 'Something' operated by chance? What was that? The early necessary complexity of life requires information. That requires a thinking mental state. So much for chance, for contigency. Something eternal has always been around.-Faith is a matter of a choice. If you believe this reality had a start, and the universe has been definitely shown to have a starting point, and you don't believe in chance, there has to be a guiding force. That force for all of us is something we cannot imagine. It is concealed. It must be accepted on faith. Your agnosticism in an unwillingness to come tio a logical endpoint, simply because you cannot imagine the unimaginable. Neither can we believers, which is why we are called believers. You will never have a black and white conclusion. There is none, and never will be. I think you are on your picket fence forever.
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