Shedding Light On How Cells Communicate (Introduction)

by BBella , Monday, November 12, 2012, 20:31 (4371 days ago) @ David Turell
edited by unknown, Monday, November 12, 2012, 20:40


> > [bbella] How great a chance though, David, that the reason we "self-aware conscious humans" view the All That Is/God/our Maker/Creator, this way, is not necessarily because we/everything is created by a self-aware consciousness we call God, but because we have evolved this self-aware consciousness ability to see a self-aware consciousness that we believe we ourselves reflect and have called it God?
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> [david] It is hard for me to imagine that we have evolved beyond what existed before us.-Because of my time constraints I am just answering as brief as possible without edit and not sure how far I will get. Not sure, but I think you missed my implication. Do you think, as a species, we have evolved beyond what has existed before us, consciously or other wise? We were once a much less evolved creature and now we are a more evolved creature and we continue to evolve, toward what? Possibly, there is no "toward what". Maybe, we are using the material of the "what IS" and becoming whatever we can be with the use of this material/immaterial that we are made up of. This material/immaterial energy we could call God, but what it is has not been and most likely cannot be comprehended. So calling "it" a conscious or self aware God is just limiting it to our own comprehension which is as far as we ourselves have evolved. So we attribute consciousness to something that is so far beyond the word conscious or self aware only because that is as far as we ourselves have developed. Hope I'm not just muddying the waters here.
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>[david] I don't think we can evolve beyond what is already possible to exist. We know from quantum theory that the universe requires intelligence to study the quantum level, that there is quantum interconnectedness throghout the universe. We see a further connection when we experience an NDE and consciousness survives, most likely at a quantum level.-I agree we do not see all possibilities that already exist within our universe as we might get to see in NDE's. But, you misunderstand if you think I am saying we have evolved beyond what has already existed before us (in a sense as the potential within What Is is so much more than consciousness itself). What I am saying is we have only just begun on the evolutionary scale of what is possible before us. Consciousness or self awareness is only a tiny minuscule glimpse of abilities and qualities that we can develop in our own evolutionary process. Possibly, somewhere in some dimension or time there may be development past our abilities. That may even answer why we have dreams and NDE's, who knows?->[David]The best comment I've ever heard about a simple proof of God came from a potential candidate for the House seat in my district (national) who said the only way to look at quantum mechanics is to understand there is a God.-This may well be, but what I am saying is QP is only a glimpse, a tiny twinkle into the What Is/God, the energy of All That Is. To label God (or the ATI) as a conscious self aware God is to limit God to what we ourselves have only just attained in the evolutionary process. ->[David]Some of us do have an insatiable need to ask 'why,how, what if', etc. Mankind has always looked for answers. -I think you missed my point (and not sure sometimes what my point is in re-saying any of this). Yes, you are right! I, of all people, would never encourage anyone not to seek answers to questions that they are passionate about, etc. That is one thing that gives me great joy in living as well. My point was made more toward comprehending the holographic nature of our universe. That, when we (the supposed bellwhether of nature) look into our distant past, we see what we think was before our own growth of consciousness or what led up to our growth of consciousness. So, what we should see is an unconscious universe. Yet, now that we are conscious, when we look into our past, before consciousness, holographically, we see/or look for/or seek to find consciousness, intelligence - God. And some do find it or see, just as you. Or at least, evidence of it (within the growing intelligent cell for example). But, can we truly have our answer from our past? Was there consciousness before we attained consciousness or was there not? Holographically, we cannot truly know the answer, because now we are conscious and self aware to boot. So now we see thru the lenses of consciousness, we see as we are seen - we see a mirror of what we are, we may even see what is not there, or is it now there because we have developed consciousness and holographically that past becoming conscious, just as we are. So, in a sense, we are unable to "know" if the past truly was with or without consciousness - so my metaphor; the dog chasing it's "tale" of how it came to be.