Shedding Light On How Cells Communicate (Introduction)

by dhw, Saturday, November 10, 2012, 13:15 (4397 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: What you don't tell us is where does the 'intelligent cell' get its intelligence? [...] An intelligent cell requires thoughtful construction.-dhw: But does it require construction by a self-conscious form of intelligence? Your question bypasses the hypothesis I have proposed above: namely, that the eternal "first cause" is an intelligent, self-organizing, but NOT self-conscious energy, and that lack of self-awareness does not mean a disorganized "rogue mass" -DAVID: I've bypassed your hypothesis because it doesn't fit what we know.
 
This is badly worded. We "know" that we are in a life-sustaining universe. We do not know how it got this way or how life originated. Your eternal, self-aware creator is one explanatory hypothesis, chance is another explanatory hypothesis, an intelligent but unselfconscious form of energy (the orderly laws of Nature) is another explanatory hypothesis. All of them fit what we "know", but different people will decide for themselves which seems to fit best.-DAVID: See my entry of 2 1/2 hours ago. The simplistic Central Dogma of Neo-Darwinism is too simplistic for reality as shown in current cell mechanics research. Here we see molecules wandering around in a very coordinated fashion, seemingly acting independently but obviously under systematic control. 
Planning for this type of living factories requires thought and then analysis of the results, an introspection that implies a self-aware consciousness. That is the way we design and plan. It is hard to conclude that our human consciousness is any different than a universal consciousness.-Your entry under "Cell complexity" gives a wonderful boost to the argument that the intelligent cell is the driving force behind evolution, but its only relevance to my first cause hypothesis, as far as I can see, is your claim that this self-organizing mechanism could only have been created by a self-aware consciousness. That, of course, is a matter of belief. I myself find it just as "hard to conclude" that there is an eternal and infinite, self-aware form of energy as that the intelligent cell is the product of sheer chance. An eternal and infinite form of energy sounds like a very feasible hypothesis to me, but its level of intelligence/consciousness/self-consciousness is the unknowable factor.