BBella\'s Universe (Introduction)

by BBella , Thursday, December 01, 2011, 07:02 (4742 days ago) @ dhw

Why posit the idea of an alien race in the first place? If life was already here on Earth, why couldn’t humans have evolved without the interference of aliens, who presumably also evolved spontaneously?

I definitely think some kind of human like beings could have evolved, given enough time.

Are myths, ancient civilizations and UFOs the only reason for this speculation?

Not the only reason. Most, if not all sacred books tell of beings not of this world that "came down" and spoke to the people. Add that to the myths, ancient civilization and UFO's and the evidence builds from speculative to possible, and maybe someday, to probable. I remain open to the possibility until then.

You don’t like the word “spontaneously”, so I should explain that I’m using it as a contrast to deliberate design.

Ah, ok...got it.

David, for instance, believes that life was created by a conscious designer and did not arise by a process of abiogenesis, or “spontaneous generation”. You use “created” in a manner that also needs clarification: “Just as everything that has been created thus far [...] by/from/within matter, as is, so matter is a continuous changing fabric.” I suspect that David likes the term, but I don’t think you mean “created” in the sense of consciously designed, do you?

Not in the manner of a large conscious being decided to create...no.

Earlier you said the ALL THAT IS creates what we need “as long as our subconscious or other surrounding factors are not interfering with that creation.” I wonder if it isn’t the other way round – that the conscious mind is what puts up the barriers, whereas the subconscious has a more direct path to what we require. That is certainly true of creative work, in which the subconscious nearly always knows far more than the conscious – although the conscious does need to exert a degree of control.

Either way, I didn't mean to imply we want something and lo and behold, there it is. The universe is in continuous creation mode, and emotion, because it can energetically effect the fabric of matter, it can cause a ripple effect away or toward us. I'm not an expert in creation, I'm speculating how things appear to me by observing. I've heard something similar expressed in a movie that came out a while back called "The Secret." It explains something similar in Quantum Physics terms as what I had began to observe.

For me, sentience is impossible without the capability of feeling and perceiving. It’s a form of awareness that stops short of intellectuality. ...since you believe that love depends on living beings like ourselves, and you don’t see the universe as a being with personality, the inference might perhaps be that apart from ourselves and possible aliens, sentience really is confined to living beings, while the rest of the universe remains senseless and impersonal, though ceaselessly changing and “creating” AS IF it were a sentient being.

I'm not going to go as far as to say humans and possible alien beings are the only things that are sentient beings in the universe. I can imagine how sentience can evolve just as everything else does. For instance: A dog can be brought up in the wild and be much less a sentient being than say a dog brought up within a family that projects human emotion onto it. Maybe earth was not as sentient as it is now. Maybe the universe wasn't as sentient as it is now. To me, it's not black or white, or yes or no...it's more like a tiny bit and a lot.

I say “might perhaps be”, because I feel David and Tony breathing down my neck, but if the above interpretation is correct, your ALL THAT IS appears closer to atheism than to David’s Universal Intelligence and to Tony’s God of Love (sorry, guys). You may see it differently, though.

I am probably somewhere between atheism and David's UI...for now.

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