BBella\'s Universe (Introduction)

by BBella , Wednesday, November 30, 2011, 09:03 (4721 days ago) @ dhw
edited by unknown, Wednesday, November 30, 2011, 09:54

Part 1

Thanks, dhw! My own universe! Awesome!

BBella, if I’ve understood your “theology” correctly, it ties in with Abel’s belief in a race of alien “gods” who share many human characteristics.

Yes, and for that, I thank Abel for bringing a similar shared view to the table..even tho it was pretty far out...it was very interesting to me no less, as you can imagine, since it did share a similar belief.

There are then two other levels of “god”: Gaia, the spirit of Mother Earth, and the “true Creator God”, which you call ALL THAT IS. (I’m trying to break the argument down into its component parts, so please correct any misunderstandings.) It’s not clear to me whether you think the alien race created life on Earth, or were just superior beings whom our ancestors worshipped.

No, I do not think they created life on earth...I believe it possible they created humans from life on earth by splicing their dna with the life on earth's dna.

The question naturally arises as to who or what created them.

Or, who or what created earth and life on earth before they got here? I believe all life [everything] is created within the ALL THAT IS.

As I tried to discuss with Abel, if they arose spontaneously, you may as well argue that we did too, so we don’t need them to create us.

I agree they probably did arise spontaneously as all things have...even those things we have created from other things, arises spontaneously on it's own as long as it's created with spontaneous matter that arises spontaneously. But, just because they may have arose spontaneously doesn't automatically mean we did as well. Given more time, life on earth may have created something like us or them...but I have no idea how life arose where they are from or how long it took.

They might provide a possible explanation for myths, certain unexplained features of ancient civilizations, and UFOs, but are not integral to our overall view of the universe.

That really is all I'm entertaining here...possibilities from the evidence we have here on earth before us.

You see Mother Earth as a conscious, sentient being, but more emotional than intellectual, while ALL THAT IS presumably constitutes the whole universe. Strictly speaking, then, we don’t need to distinguish between them, because ALL THAT IS = the macrocosm, and Mother Earth is a microcosm, while everything on Mother Earth is a kind of mini-microcosm. The emphasis on emotion as opposed to intellect suggests that this concept excludes deliberate creation of life, which requires knowledge still far beyond the intellectual capacity of even our greatest scientists. Therefore life presumably arose and evolved spontaneously (either ours, or that of the creative aliens).

I agree. Altho I don't care for the word "spontaneous." Nothing really happens spontaneously. Evolved is a better word without the word spontaneously attached to it.

If we jettison all concepts of God in favour of a creative force we call ALL THAT IS, I don’t see how anyone can object. It’s only if we ascribe particular attributes to this force that problems emerge. “Sentient” is one of them. That there are sentient beings on Mother Earth is clear, but even here, can we really believe that for instance a piece of rock is capable of conscious sensation and perception? If not, where do we draw lines: are the waters of the oceans, the clouds in the sky, the stars in the firmament capable of conscious feeling and perception?

I do believe in a conscious awareness of all things, but as I have mentioned quite a while back, this conscious awareness, I believe, is more based on vibration, which I didnt mention in my response to Tony. With my response, I was trying to bring in an idea that we both could possibly identify with. Gaia, is a known word and is very old and does hold a "similar" feel to how I think of the ALL THAT IS. The word sentient does as well. But, I do not mean to say that the ALL THAT IS is conscious in the way that we think of human consciousness, intellectually. More "like," as with everything, feeling the movement of all.

This is a very literal approach to your “theology”, but please take it as an attempt to understand, not to criticize. Similarly, when you say the ALL THAT IS “can have personality […] can be all or anything you ‘need’ it to be […] because it reacts/responds/creates in reaction to emotion”, in what way does it respond?

Just as everything that has been created thus far (and is being created even now) by/from/within matter, as is, so matter is a continuous changing fabric. The ALL THAT IS, full of potential possibilities always. So when we "need" or "want" we tend to create movement in the fabric of matter..and many times we get just what we want, or need. As is said, watch what you wish for, because you may get it. There is a potential always in the fabric of the ALL THAT IS that we, or anything or everything really, is having a hand in creating. I'm sure that could be expressed in a much better way...but it's whats on the menu for now.

continued...sorry, I don't have time to proof read...hope it's understandable!