Natural Wonders & Evolution (Evolution)

by dhw, Friday, September 27, 2019, 18:19 (51 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: I'll repeat: if God is the Creator what happened is what He chose to do. Again, you want your God to be in a hurry, very human-like.

Of course if he exists, what happened is what he chose to do. And I’m suggesting that what happened provides no support for the theory that a totally-in-control God chose to create billions of non-life-bearing solar systems, stars, planets etc., and billions of non-human life forms, lifestyles and natural wonders for the sole purpose of specially designing H. sapiens.

DAVID: He is in full control and fully purposeful. Of course certain of his wishes are like human wishes, but you constantly forget we cannot actually know his thoughts.

dhw: And yet you insist that you do know his thoughts: “Humans are my goal, and I have decided..." as bolded above. And STILL you do not tell us why wanting to be in full control is not human, whereas wanting to be in partial control is human.

DAVID: I DO NOT KNOW His thoughts. I recognize His choice of method, but cannot know His reasons for that choice, but your humanized God seems to know.

dhw: Of course you don’t know them, but you kid yourself that you do, because you insist that your combined choice of purpose (why have you left that out?) and method was his, as above. My God, just like yours, would definitely know his reasons for creating life, and you have absolutely no grounds for assuming that those reasons are not logical by human standards and are inaccessible to humans.

DAVID: Any supposition about His reasons are simply guesses.

And that includes yours, but you have no idea why your God would have chosen your idea of his method in order to accomplish your idea of his purpose.

DAVID: As a non-believer, of course you don't follow my reasoning.

As a believer, you can’t explain your reasoning, whereas I have offered you a number of different theistic explanations which even you acknowledge to be perfectly logical. Please don’t argue that my agnosticism provides an explanation for what you cannot explain!


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