An Alternative to Evolution: Expounded Upon (Introduction)

by Balance_Maintained @, U.S.A., Saturday, August 11, 2018, 09:08 (692 days ago) @ GateKeeper

Gatekeeper: Maybe its a bit of both.

There are volumes of the universe that are processing and learning. Isn't the universe quantum computing right now?

Its the "aliveness" of me that creates the proteins in me. I, indeed all humans, are just complex proteins. I know I can learn and apply knowledge but I have very little control of the cells life cycle in my body past eating right and exercising.

In this line of thought, you are seemingly describing life as a scalar value, from the infinitely small to the infinitely great. In layman's terms, from the smallest quanta to God. That is an interesting hypothesis, however, in order for it to be true, some things would also necessarily be true.

An entity could not be greater in terms of energy, information, or mass, nor have greater needs in terms of energy, information, or mass, than the entity which it is contained inside.

The larger, being comprised of the smaller, contains the sum total of all of the energy, information and mass of the smaller organisms. (See Below: Scaling)

If he smaller organism has greater needs for energy, information, or mass than it's host can provide, it will kill the host.

If the smaller organism kills the host, it must find a new host or go extinct.

The greater organism would be correspondingly more complex in information, energy, and mass.

The greater organism would likely contain a correspondingly greater intelligence. This should be evident by a greater degree of agency, in some form or fashion. We do not know what form this greater agency would be.

If the planet is a living organism, how can we detect it? By what measure does the bacteria judge the human? As to whether the universe is quantum computing, that is unknown and unknowable. We would first need to establish whether a) the universe could think, or b)there were some 'mechanical' function that was constantly crunching numbers.


If quanta communities form quarks, and quark communities form atoms, and atom communities form molecules, and molecular communities form cells, then cell communities form multi-cellular life. This brings us to humanity, plants and animals, but what beyond that? Communities, towns, cities, states, etc? What about the next step up from us?

The logical answer is that multi-cellular life is to a planetary host what bateria are to humans. In turn, the planets to the solar systems, solar systems to the galaxy, galaxy to the universe, and we have no clue what lies beyond that. It could very well be that our universe has the universal equivalent of a cellular membrane (background radiation) that prevents us from seeing out beyond it. It is entirely possible that it regresses infinitely in either direction. We will likely not know in our lifetime, if humanity ever learns the answer.

However, if this were true, the amount of information, and presumably the intelligence of the organism also scales. This would make earth, our fledgling planetary home, as unlikely as a single celled organism forming from nothing but but inert chemical soup. What's worse, this unique, beautiful planet has the equivalent of a virus in the form of humanity; a parasitic organism that takes far more than it gives back.

That's right, a parasitic virus that takes more than it contributes, and is even know looking for a way to spread our virulence beyond our current host. Yet, to our knowledge, there is no other host.

I believe what you say is possible. Note, I did not say probable. From a biblical perspective, it is feasible. However, there is one oddity. Unlike most systems, this system is very bi-directional.By that I mean that the universe could not exist without the quanta, and the quanta, as far as we know, do not replenish. It is an interesting hypothesis, but do give thought to its shortcomings as well as its beautiful simplicity.

What is the purpose of living? How about, 'to reduce needless suffering. It seems to me to be a worthy purpose.

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