autonomy v. automaticity (Evolution)

by David Turell @, Saturday, March 10, 2018, 15:05 (526 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID’S comment: This is certainly an evidence of patterns of control in evolution, gain providing evidence that God guided evolution using patterns of control. Tony and I discussed this with a Biblical quote from Genesis, making them in their own kind. Thursday, March 08, 2018, 19:15

dhw: Tony’s emphasis was on prototypes, and this article emphasizes convergence, and both ideas are consistent with Darwin’s theory that all the variations sprang from a few forms or one. That includes similar patterns evolving as well as different ones. Why you should equate this with God “guiding” evolution I really don’t know. These spiders adapted to their different environments by using different coloured camouflage. If God exists and did not preprogramme each colour scheme 3.8 billion years ago or do a personal dabble so that these different colour schemes would balance life to keep it going before he was able to fulfil his one and only purpose of producing the sapiens brain, then he must have given them the mechanism to do it themselves.

I see it differently. If God used patterns and even gave organisms mechanisms, it makes
his job of creating a huge diversity bush easier. I believe God guided evolution. You don't.

dhw: […] whenever you insist that bacteria and ants are robots, I shall feel obliged to point out to you that that is a subjective opinion and not a fact.

DAVID: And I will stick to the point that intelligently planned responses by a designer is information contained in bacteria and ants, providing automatic responses to stimuli and changing conditions for those organisms. PAX.

dhw: It’s not a point, it’s a subjective opinion which you continually try to present as if it were a fact. I can no more disprove your subjective opinion than you can disprove that of the scientists who disagree with you. If you accept this, we can have pax.

We disagree. You can't present them as fact either. PAX.

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