Innovation and Speciation:baleen whale feeding (Evolution)

by David Turell , Monday, June 26, 2017, 13:53 (2495 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Total misinterpretation. Dabbling requires almost as much planning as a totally new species.

dhw: First you agree that there's no need for advanced planning, and RESPONSIVE DABBLING is possible, and next day you disagree! Dabbling is your alternative to preprogramming as your God’s means of producing new species!

It is either pre-programming, dabbling or both. Pre-programming is massive, dabbling less intense since it is an adjustment.

dhw: The issue I have raised is whether advanced planning is necessary at all. If by “dabble” you do not mean direct intervention to personally create the innovation at one particular time (e.g. when the environment changes), then please explain what you do mean.

As above, an adjustment or modification.

DAVID: This book review covers the patterns of animals and plants in nature suggesting 3.8 billion years is correct:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-nature-scales-up-1498239216
QUOTE: Unsurprisingly, evolution keeps nudging organisms toward those properties, which again are similar for every species, because they depend on physical laws that are independent of biology. (DAVID's bold)
DAVID’s comment: Note the bold and the fractal patterns, all given by God to guide the process of evolution. And in bold God knows logarithms!

dhw: Seems to me like confirmation of common descent. Can’t see any mention of God.

The patterns reflect the pre-planning that God employed. I didn't say God was mentioned.

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DAVID: That is why I choose God as the ultimate consciousness. Logical faith again.

dhw: You have left out my comment that I do not see any logic in claiming that the source of consciousness is consciousness.

I don't think life invented consciousness. I feel it had to pre-exist life in God.