Evolution v Creationism: guided evolution? dhw? (Evolution)

by David Turell , Tuesday, April 14, 2015, 00:15 (3294 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw:Then please stop choosing automatism over autonomy and keep an open mind.-Very bluntly I have been taught in med school that our organs cells are automatic. I see no difference in what I have seen in the research about one-celled creatures. I will repeat for one last time. No one can tell the difference between automatic responses to stimuli or chosen responses guided by the DNA. In the latter possibility, the cells may well be offered simple algorisms to follow which allow for slightly different results based on the strength and quality of the stimuli. I categorically state there are no other known alternative response mechanisms to stimuli.
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> dhw: Once again, nobody knows how innovations take place. But we do know that organisms can adapt by changing their structures, so maybe the same mechanism can also innovate. And we have invented a UI, but we don't know if, in fact, it exists. In all cases, we can only deal in hypotheses.-I have agreed with this statement. I've invented the UI. You haven't bought into it but have agreed to its possibility. In the same way there may be some degree of an IM. Since no one really knows, this is a good point to agree to go no further.
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> dhw: I wish I could rely on your acceptance, but tomorrow you will tell us that cells and cell communities are automatons obeying instructions - i.e. the very opposite of clever, inventive types of living matter.-Life appears to be very inventive. Unfortunately we don't know how that inventiveness works. We know natural selection plays a refereeing role. I don't agree with the concept of a totally autonomous IM. I firmly accept the conclusion that both evolution of life and of the universe are guided by God. I reached that conclusion about 20 years ago and have seen nothing in new science discoveries to change my mind.-> dhw: I also wish you would acknowledge that the three above choices are your alternatives to an autonomous inventive mechanism,....That is why I keep trying to pin you down, and no doubt why you always avoid giving me a direct answer.-I think my answers are quite direct.