Evolution v Creationism: guided evolution? dhw? (Evolution)
DAVID: Read this essay to see the odds against unguided evolution: nature's library of possible useful proteins;-http://aeon.co/magazine/philosophy/natures-library-of-platonic-forms/-Why hasn't dhw commented on this? This is the key to understanding the argument for design-dhw: Wagner does not even reject random mutations, but he concludes that there is an inventive mechanism which can accelerate the process of innovation, and he calls it “genotype networks”. ... 1) How does evolution work? Even you accept the possibility of organisms having an inventive mechanism. Now you can call it “genotype networks” if you like. That is as far as the article goes. -DAVID: You have missed the fact that Wagner talks around the problem of finding new proteins but offers no solution. -You go on to repeat the quotes you used when you first asked me to read the article, and announced that it was the “key to understanding the argument for design”. These are the quotes that explain the problem he thinks he's solved, namely that of evolutionary innovation. I responded with quotations that indicated his proposed solution: a mechanism he calls “genotype networks”. Now you tell me that Wagner misses the point, and you repeat your own argument for design. In other words, the article which was the key to understanding the argument for design is no such thing because the author thinks he's found a solution and according to you he hasn't, whereas you have.-I am in no position to challenge you or him, but I will gladly take your word for it that Wagner's solution ignores certain key factors. So I will return to the solution of an intelligent, inventive mechanism, to which you have half agreed in principle, and I shan't call it “genotype networks”. We are now back where we started
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2014-09-12, 12:45
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2015-04-05, 16:06
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2015-04-05, 14:37
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dhw,
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dhw,
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