Chance v. Design Part 4 (Evolution)
dhw, > Matt writes: You and Dr Turell appear to say that since life has been assigned such a low probability (under specious assumptions) then there exists a converse selection against it happening. If life has a .00000000000150 chance of occurring randomly, it is not the case that there is a .99999999999850 chance of it not happening by chance. This simply recreates the Monte Carlo Fallacy. Every event has an equal chance of being selected. > > So whenever my pet chimpanzee sits at the typewriter, I should be prepared to believe that he has an equal chance of hitting the right keys to produce a Shakespeare sonnet. - Yes. That's how raw probability works. Although you're not taking the preferences of the chimp into account. - I could even write a computer program that could do the same result, though the size of the sonnet would limit how many years it would take. - Though ultimately life is a stochastic process (as I responded to George) and is based on past states. I think the same goes for the processes that would have given us the transition from non-life to life. This changes the system somewhat, but in such a way that it is beneficial for life. - EDITED - I should tie this in to the previous example. You're letting yourself be tricked by the low odds of this happening. If the sonnet is... 10 letters (simplified) you have 26^10 possible chances of hitting that sonnet. But each individual failure has as much chance of being selected as the single success.
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- Chance v. Design -
dhw,
2009-05-02, 11:38
- Chance v. Design -
George Jelliss,
2009-05-02, 19:05
- Chance v. Design -
dhw,
2009-05-03, 21:02
- Chance v. Design -
George Jelliss,
2009-05-03, 22:24
- Chance v. Design - David Turell, 2009-05-04, 00:46
- Chance v. Design -
dhw,
2009-05-05, 08:29
- Chance v. Design -
George Jelliss,
2009-05-05, 19:58
- Chance v. Design -
dhw,
2009-05-07, 08:59
- Chance v. Design -
BBella,
2009-05-08, 21:03
- Chance v. Design -
dhw,
2009-05-10, 13:15
- Chance v. Design - BBella, 2009-05-12, 04:51
- Chance v. Design - David Turell, 2009-05-11, 22:21
- Chance v. Design -
dhw,
2009-05-10, 13:15
- Chance v. Design -
George Jelliss,
2009-05-10, 19:19
- Chance v. Design - dhw, 2009-05-12, 12:50
- Chance v. Design -
BBella,
2009-05-08, 21:03
- Chance v. Design -
dhw,
2009-05-07, 08:59
- Chance v. Design -
George Jelliss,
2009-05-05, 19:58
- Chance v. Design -
George Jelliss,
2009-05-03, 22:24
- Chance v. Design -
dhw,
2009-05-03, 21:02
- Chance v. Design -
Matt S.,
2009-06-02, 22:16
- Chance v. Design -
dhw,
2009-06-03, 12:40
- Chance v. Design -
Matt S.,
2009-06-04, 03:28
- Chance v. Design -
David Turell,
2009-06-04, 19:23
- Chance v. Design -
David Turell,
2009-06-05, 14:20
- Chance v. Design - David Turell, 2009-06-05, 16:38
- Chance v. Design -
David Turell,
2009-06-05, 14:20
- Chance v. Design -
dhw,
2009-06-04, 21:50
- Chance v. Design -
Matt S.,
2009-06-04, 22:24
- Chance v. Design -
dhw,
2009-06-06, 11:41
- Chance v. Design - Matt S., 2009-06-06, 19:36
- Chance v. Design Part 2 -
Matt S.,
2009-06-06, 19:47
- Chance v. Design Part 2 -
dhw,
2009-06-07, 23:07
- Chance v. Design Part 3 -
xeno6696,
2009-06-09, 14:44
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-06-09, 14:45
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-06-10, 08:54
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-06-11, 18:47
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-06-26, 20:29
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-06-27, 18:45
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-06-29, 08:16
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-06-30, 04:39
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-07-01, 08:20
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-07-01, 14:54
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-07-03, 10:22
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-07-03, 19:26
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
George Jelliss,
2009-07-04, 17:13
- Chance v. Design Part 4 - David Turell, 2009-07-04, 18:25
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-07-04, 19:35
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-07-05, 00:18
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
David Turell,
2009-07-05, 03:09
- Chance v. Design Part 4 - David Turell, 2009-07-07, 01:39
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-07-08, 17:42
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
David Turell,
2009-07-09, 22:08
- Chance v. Design Part 4 - xeno6696, 2009-07-09, 23:26
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
David Turell,
2009-07-09, 22:08
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
David Turell,
2009-07-05, 03:09
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-07-05, 00:18
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-07-05, 22:23
- Chance v. Design Part 4 - xeno6696, 2009-07-08, 15:04
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-07-08, 20:43
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-07-10, 12:24
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-07-11, 04:16
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-07-12, 08:44
- Chance v. Design Part 4 - xeno6696, 2009-07-12, 18:37
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-07-12, 08:44
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-07-11, 04:16
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-07-10, 12:24
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
George Jelliss,
2009-07-04, 17:13
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-07-03, 19:26
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-07-03, 10:22
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-07-01, 14:54
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-07-01, 08:20
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-06-30, 04:39
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-06-29, 08:16
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-06-27, 18:45
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-06-26, 20:29
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-06-11, 18:47
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-06-10, 09:00
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
George Jelliss,
2009-06-11, 10:51
- Chance v. Design Part 4 - dhw, 2009-06-26, 20:37
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
George Jelliss,
2009-06-11, 10:51
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-08-18, 04:41
- Chance v. Design Part 4 - xeno6696, 2012-08-18, 14:36
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-06-10, 08:54
- Chance v. Design Part 3 -
David Turell,
2009-06-10, 02:12
- Chance v. Design Part 3 - David Turell, 2012-08-06, 15:32
- Chance v. Design Part 3 -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-08-18, 04:38
- Chance v. Design Part 3 - xeno6696, 2012-08-18, 14:33
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-06-09, 14:45
- Chance v. Design Part 3 -
xeno6696,
2009-06-09, 14:44
- Chance v. Design Part 2 -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-08-18, 04:01
- Chance v. Design Part 2 -
xeno6696,
2012-08-18, 14:26
- Chance v. Design Part 2 -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-08-19, 04:28
- Chance v. Design Part 2 -
xeno6696,
2012-08-20, 01:08
- Chance v. Design Part 2 - Balance_Maintained, 2012-08-20, 04:46
- Chance v. Design Part 2 - dhw, 2012-08-20, 20:26
- Chance v. Design Part 2 -
xeno6696,
2012-08-20, 01:08
- Chance v. Design Part 2 -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-08-19, 04:28
- Chance v. Design Part 2 - dhw, 2012-08-19, 17:13
- Chance v. Design Part 2 -
xeno6696,
2012-08-18, 14:26
- Chance v. Design Part 2 -
dhw,
2009-06-07, 23:07
- Chance v. Design -
dhw,
2009-06-06, 11:41
- Chance v. Design -
Matt S.,
2009-06-04, 22:24
- Chance v. Design -
David Turell,
2009-06-04, 19:23
- Chance v. Design -
Matt S.,
2009-06-04, 03:28
- Chance v. Design -
dhw,
2009-06-03, 12:40
- Chance v. Design -
George Jelliss,
2009-05-02, 19:05