Chance v. Design (Evolution)
(I think it was Shapiro who suggests some extraterrestrial life might be crystalline, spawned an awesome Star Trek TNG episode.) And even fire meets most definitions of life. - Not the Shapiro I know. > Chaos theory (that I consistently refer back to) is mistakenly invoked as 'the study of chaos.' More appropriately it is a study of how chaotic systems appear chaotic when in fact they were the result of very simple starting conditions. Chaos theory can explain the shapes of mountains, trees, and how a drop of blood disperses in water. - I understand fractals do this, but it doesn't get us any closer to how to get to organic chemistry in forms of life. - > This is why I'm certain that the origin of life has simple starting conditions. It's presently an untestable hypothesis, but when you realize that this simplicity is in all of nature. All of life--all of it--relies on only four elements. It doesn't get much simpler. - You've said you have studied skepticism. Please read Shapiro. Buy on line his article in the Quarterly Review of Biology ($15) 'Small Molecule Interactions were Central to the Origin of Life', June 2006, Vol. 81, No. 2. Materialistic Reductionism to the most simple will not solve the problem of life's origin, I promise you. You need to understand that biochemical reactions are never simple.
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- Chance v. Design -
dhw,
2009-05-02, 11:38
- Chance v. Design -
George Jelliss,
2009-05-02, 19:05
- Chance v. Design -
dhw,
2009-05-03, 21:02
- Chance v. Design -
George Jelliss,
2009-05-03, 22:24
- Chance v. Design - David Turell, 2009-05-04, 00:46
- Chance v. Design -
dhw,
2009-05-05, 08:29
- Chance v. Design -
George Jelliss,
2009-05-05, 19:58
- Chance v. Design -
dhw,
2009-05-07, 08:59
- Chance v. Design -
BBella,
2009-05-08, 21:03
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dhw,
2009-05-10, 13:15
- Chance v. Design - BBella, 2009-05-12, 04:51
- Chance v. Design - David Turell, 2009-05-11, 22:21
- Chance v. Design -
dhw,
2009-05-10, 13:15
- Chance v. Design -
George Jelliss,
2009-05-10, 19:19
- Chance v. Design - dhw, 2009-05-12, 12:50
- Chance v. Design -
BBella,
2009-05-08, 21:03
- Chance v. Design -
dhw,
2009-05-07, 08:59
- Chance v. Design -
George Jelliss,
2009-05-05, 19:58
- Chance v. Design -
George Jelliss,
2009-05-03, 22:24
- Chance v. Design -
dhw,
2009-05-03, 21:02
- Chance v. Design -
Matt S.,
2009-06-02, 22:16
- Chance v. Design -
dhw,
2009-06-03, 12:40
- Chance v. Design -
Matt S.,
2009-06-04, 03:28
- Chance v. Design -
David Turell,
2009-06-04, 19:23
- Chance v. Design -
David Turell,
2009-06-05, 14:20
- Chance v. Design - David Turell, 2009-06-05, 16:38
- Chance v. Design -
David Turell,
2009-06-05, 14:20
- Chance v. Design -
dhw,
2009-06-04, 21:50
- Chance v. Design -
Matt S.,
2009-06-04, 22:24
- Chance v. Design -
dhw,
2009-06-06, 11:41
- Chance v. Design - Matt S., 2009-06-06, 19:36
- Chance v. Design Part 2 -
Matt S.,
2009-06-06, 19:47
- Chance v. Design Part 2 -
dhw,
2009-06-07, 23:07
- Chance v. Design Part 3 -
xeno6696,
2009-06-09, 14:44
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-06-09, 14:45
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-06-10, 08:54
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xeno6696,
2009-06-11, 18:47
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-06-26, 20:29
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-06-27, 18:45
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-06-29, 08:16
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-06-30, 04:39
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-07-01, 08:20
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-07-01, 14:54
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-07-03, 10:22
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-07-03, 19:26
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
George Jelliss,
2009-07-04, 17:13
- Chance v. Design Part 4 - David Turell, 2009-07-04, 18:25
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-07-04, 19:35
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xeno6696,
2009-07-05, 00:18
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
David Turell,
2009-07-05, 03:09
- Chance v. Design Part 4 - David Turell, 2009-07-07, 01:39
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-07-08, 17:42
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
David Turell,
2009-07-09, 22:08
- Chance v. Design Part 4 - xeno6696, 2009-07-09, 23:26
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
David Turell,
2009-07-09, 22:08
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
David Turell,
2009-07-05, 03:09
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-07-05, 00:18
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-07-05, 22:23
- Chance v. Design Part 4 - xeno6696, 2009-07-08, 15:04
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-07-08, 20:43
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-07-10, 12:24
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-07-11, 04:16
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-07-12, 08:44
- Chance v. Design Part 4 - xeno6696, 2009-07-12, 18:37
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-07-12, 08:44
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-07-11, 04:16
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-07-10, 12:24
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
George Jelliss,
2009-07-04, 17:13
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-07-03, 19:26
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-07-03, 10:22
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-07-01, 14:54
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-07-01, 08:20
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-06-30, 04:39
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-06-29, 08:16
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-06-27, 18:45
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-06-26, 20:29
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-06-11, 18:47
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-06-10, 09:00
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
George Jelliss,
2009-06-11, 10:51
- Chance v. Design Part 4 - dhw, 2009-06-26, 20:37
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
George Jelliss,
2009-06-11, 10:51
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-08-18, 04:41
- Chance v. Design Part 4 - xeno6696, 2012-08-18, 14:36
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
dhw,
2009-06-10, 08:54
- Chance v. Design Part 3 -
David Turell,
2009-06-10, 02:12
- Chance v. Design Part 3 - David Turell, 2012-08-06, 15:32
- Chance v. Design Part 3 -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-08-18, 04:38
- Chance v. Design Part 3 - xeno6696, 2012-08-18, 14:33
- Chance v. Design Part 4 -
xeno6696,
2009-06-09, 14:45
- Chance v. Design Part 3 -
xeno6696,
2009-06-09, 14:44
- Chance v. Design Part 2 -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-08-18, 04:01
- Chance v. Design Part 2 -
xeno6696,
2012-08-18, 14:26
- Chance v. Design Part 2 -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-08-19, 04:28
- Chance v. Design Part 2 -
xeno6696,
2012-08-20, 01:08
- Chance v. Design Part 2 - Balance_Maintained, 2012-08-20, 04:46
- Chance v. Design Part 2 - dhw, 2012-08-20, 20:26
- Chance v. Design Part 2 -
xeno6696,
2012-08-20, 01:08
- Chance v. Design Part 2 -
Balance_Maintained,
2012-08-19, 04:28
- Chance v. Design Part 2 - dhw, 2012-08-19, 17:13
- Chance v. Design Part 2 -
xeno6696,
2012-08-18, 14:26
- Chance v. Design Part 2 -
dhw,
2009-06-07, 23:07
- Chance v. Design -
dhw,
2009-06-06, 11:41
- Chance v. Design -
Matt S.,
2009-06-04, 22:24
- Chance v. Design -
David Turell,
2009-06-04, 19:23
- Chance v. Design -
Matt S.,
2009-06-04, 03:28
- Chance v. Design -
dhw,
2009-06-03, 12:40
- Chance v. Design -
George Jelliss,
2009-05-02, 19:05