Ourcellves? (Identity)
That is why I put it as I did. Thought may result from neural energy, but the thought itself is without any energy component in it. That is why consciousness is so tough to explain. You keep saying this David ... i have no way of verifying this statement.-> Yes, our sensory inputs shape our neural pathways. Helen Keller had only touch and smell but she certainly developed a self. Are you saying that she had no sense of self, until she was taught? I don't buy that. -Helen Keller is not the perfect example ... she lost her sight and hearing at nineteen months, so while her selfhood was not fully established at this stage but it was well on its way. She was also supplemented by a large amount of care which can be a proxy for sensory inputs. So no I am not saying Keller had no sense of self. But I am saying she had much loving and caring sensory inputs. > No, I lump. Self is molded by experiences, no doubt, but I don't worry about the strange bioelectrical apparatus we have been given to work with. We learn to play it like a fine violin, if we wish. And you and I couldn't be having this clear exchange of thoughts without it. I would not be here for whole bunch of reasons that extend beyond my brain. All I am saying you do split ... but yours is a much coarser split than that of a traditional reductionist.
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- Ourcellves? -
dhw,
2014-04-06, 15:56
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-06, 16:57
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-06, 19:55
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-06, 20:28
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-06, 20:47
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-06, 21:15
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-06, 22:28
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-06, 21:18
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-06, 22:30
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-06, 21:15
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-06, 20:47
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-06, 20:28
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-06, 19:55
- Ourcellves? -
George Jelliss,
2014-04-06, 18:15
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-06, 18:40
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-06, 20:03
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-06, 19:58
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-06, 18:40
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-06, 21:38
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-06, 23:00
- Ourcellves? -
dhw,
2014-04-07, 14:24
- Ourcellves? - romansh, 2014-04-07, 14:56
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-07, 19:10
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-08, 06:30
- Ourcellves? -
dhw,
2014-04-08, 15:59
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-09, 04:36
- Ourcellves? -
dhw,
2014-04-09, 20:31
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-10, 02:55
- Ourcellves? - dhw, 2014-04-10, 20:11
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-10, 02:55
- Ourcellves? -
dhw,
2014-04-09, 20:31
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-09, 04:36
- Ourcellves? -
dhw,
2014-04-08, 15:59
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-06, 23:17
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-07, 00:29
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-07, 02:10
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-07, 00:29
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-07, 01:34
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-07, 02:37
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-08, 12:51
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-08, 14:59
- Ourcellves? - GateKeeper, 2014-04-08, 16:51
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-08, 14:59
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-07, 20:57
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-08, 00:27
- Ourcellves? -
dhw,
2014-04-08, 16:03
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-08, 17:01
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-09, 04:16
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-09, 13:08
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-09, 18:59
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-09, 20:53
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-10, 01:53
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-10, 14:09
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-10, 16:39
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-11, 11:55
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-11, 16:15
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-11, 17:32
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-11, 18:54
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-11, 17:32
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-11, 16:15
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-11, 11:55
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-10, 16:39
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-10, 14:09
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-10, 01:53
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-10, 03:14
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-10, 06:11
- Ourcellves? - GateKeeper, 2014-04-10, 14:32
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-10, 14:25
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-10, 14:55
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-10, 15:53
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-11, 02:44
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-11, 15:32
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-11, 16:22
- Ourcellves? - romansh, 2014-04-12, 01:44
- Ourcellves? -
dhw,
2014-04-12, 12:15
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-12, 15:44
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-12, 16:12
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-12, 16:44
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-12, 19:20
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-12, 20:56
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-12, 21:54
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-13, 18:01
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-13, 19:37
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-13, 18:01
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-12, 21:54
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-12, 20:56
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-12, 19:20
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-12, 16:44
- Ourcellves? -
dhw,
2014-04-13, 21:04
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-13, 22:19
- Ourcellves? -
dhw,
2014-04-14, 10:47
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-14, 15:38
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-14, 20:05
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-26, 18:34
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-26, 18:43
- Ourcellves? - romansh, 2014-04-26, 18:54
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-26, 18:43
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-14, 15:38
- Ourcellves? -
dhw,
2014-04-14, 10:47
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-13, 22:31
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-13, 22:19
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-12, 16:12
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-12, 15:44
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-11, 15:32
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-11, 02:44
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-10, 16:26
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-10, 15:53
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-10, 14:55
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-10, 06:11
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-09, 20:53
- Ourcellves? -
dhw,
2014-04-09, 20:36
- Ourcellves? - romansh, 2014-04-10, 03:42
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-09, 18:59
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-09, 13:08
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-09, 04:16
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-08, 17:01
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-06, 16:57