Ourcellves? (Identity)
> > GK: true. But for me it is all we have right now. We do not know what "consciousness" is. The brain can make choices within the frame work of its design. Until we do know what it is the word "phenomena" fits. > > I think there is feedback loops everywhere so these loops should not be talked about as a fix state or "it is this"...... but we are fixed at the cell level here and it is good enough for what we do know (more accurate to say what we don't know). > > 'dualist" or not does not pin an answer down. First discuss what we have then fit the philosophical view to it. The "dualist" or the "monist" do not have enough information to pin the answer on the philosophical view. - > > > > Romansh:With or without Within constraints I'm not sure it clarifies anything for me. > > >> > > GK: It doesn't for me either. But I don't think we have enough information to have it as clarified as we would like. That causes some of us to be uneasy, unsettled, maybe even a tad anxious. It does me anyway.-If I may comment, almost all observers are splitters or lumpers. As a dualist, I am a lumper. It seems to me we all experience consciousness and use it, even if we cannot fully or partially explain how it origniates or processes. But the success of the human condition and the enormous advances in science and in civilized lives, attests to the fact that it works. That it has to be based on a very complex bioelectrical brain is only a consequence of the mechanism we must use, since we have evolved from much simpler biology. I cannot envision any other way, but then again, I don't know any other way.
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dhw,
2014-04-06, 15:56
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romansh,
2014-04-06, 16:57
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David Turell,
2014-04-06, 19:55
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romansh,
2014-04-06, 20:28
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David Turell,
2014-04-06, 20:47
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romansh,
2014-04-06, 21:15
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romansh,
2014-04-06, 21:18
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romansh,
2014-04-06, 21:15
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David Turell,
2014-04-06, 20:47
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romansh,
2014-04-06, 20:28
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David Turell,
2014-04-06, 19:55
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George Jelliss,
2014-04-06, 18:15
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romansh,
2014-04-06, 18:40
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romansh,
2014-04-06, 18:40
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romansh,
2014-04-06, 21:38
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dhw,
2014-04-07, 14:24
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- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-07, 19:10
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romansh,
2014-04-08, 06:30
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dhw,
2014-04-08, 15:59
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romansh,
2014-04-09, 04:36
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dhw,
2014-04-09, 20:31
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romansh,
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romansh,
2014-04-10, 02:55
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dhw,
2014-04-09, 20:31
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romansh,
2014-04-09, 04:36
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dhw,
2014-04-08, 15:59
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David Turell,
2014-04-06, 23:17
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romansh,
2014-04-07, 00:29
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romansh,
2014-04-07, 00:29
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romansh,
2014-04-07, 01:34
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GateKeeper,
2014-04-08, 12:51
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romansh,
2014-04-08, 14:59
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romansh,
2014-04-08, 14:59
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GateKeeper,
2014-04-07, 20:57
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dhw,
2014-04-08, 16:03
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GateKeeper,
2014-04-08, 17:01
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romansh,
2014-04-09, 04:16
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GateKeeper,
2014-04-09, 13:08
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David Turell,
2014-04-09, 18:59
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GateKeeper,
2014-04-09, 20:53
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David Turell,
2014-04-10, 01:53
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GateKeeper,
2014-04-10, 14:09
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David Turell,
2014-04-10, 16:39
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GateKeeper,
2014-04-11, 11:55
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David Turell,
2014-04-11, 16:15
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GateKeeper,
2014-04-11, 17:32
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GateKeeper,
2014-04-11, 17:32
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David Turell,
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GateKeeper,
2014-04-11, 11:55
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David Turell,
2014-04-10, 16:39
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GateKeeper,
2014-04-10, 14:09
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David Turell,
2014-04-10, 01:53
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romansh,
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David Turell,
2014-04-10, 06:11
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GateKeeper,
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romansh,
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GateKeeper,
2014-04-10, 15:53
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romansh,
2014-04-11, 02:44
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GateKeeper,
2014-04-11, 15:32
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-11, 16:22
- Ourcellves? - romansh, 2014-04-12, 01:44
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dhw,
2014-04-12, 12:15
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romansh,
2014-04-12, 15:44
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David Turell,
2014-04-12, 16:12
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romansh,
2014-04-12, 16:44
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David Turell,
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romansh,
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David Turell,
2014-04-12, 21:54
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romansh,
2014-04-13, 18:01
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-13, 19:37
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romansh,
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David Turell,
2014-04-12, 21:54
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romansh,
2014-04-12, 20:56
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David Turell,
2014-04-12, 19:20
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romansh,
2014-04-12, 16:44
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dhw,
2014-04-13, 21:04
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romansh,
2014-04-13, 22:19
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dhw,
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David Turell,
2014-04-14, 15:38
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-14, 20:05
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romansh,
2014-04-26, 18:34
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David Turell,
2014-04-26, 18:43
- Ourcellves? - romansh, 2014-04-26, 18:54
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David Turell,
2014-04-26, 18:43
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David Turell,
2014-04-14, 15:38
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dhw,
2014-04-14, 10:47
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-13, 22:31
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romansh,
2014-04-13, 22:19
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David Turell,
2014-04-12, 16:12
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-12, 15:44
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GateKeeper,
2014-04-11, 15:32
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romansh,
2014-04-11, 02:44
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-10, 16:26
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GateKeeper,
2014-04-10, 15:53
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romansh,
2014-04-10, 14:55
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David Turell,
2014-04-10, 06:11
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-09, 20:53
- Ourcellves? -
dhw,
2014-04-09, 20:36
- Ourcellves? - romansh, 2014-04-10, 03:42
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-09, 18:59
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-09, 13:08
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-09, 04:16
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-08, 17:01
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-06, 16:57