Ourcellves? (Identity)
GK: I would have to disagree with you there, Although I must admit, at this point we are splitting hairs. And making broad "lumped" assumptions. Get it, splitting and lumping. :) > > I am a looper.-I follow. I was splitting hairs. Your looper view is a wise one. Keeping a view of the parts and the sum of the parts and their emergent qualities is a fine overall way of looking at things. But I still have to view the emergent as something slightly separate from its origin, therefore, dualism. The emergence of life from its parts is filled with living feedback loops. That is the only way life can manage itelf.-> GK:By looking at only half the "equation", the brain, we may be lead to conclusion based on half the view. The phenomena of consciousness out of the brain. Or by focusing on the "mind", we are lead to the conclusion of 'emergence". Now that we know a group of atoms in the states they are for our brain, then the mind because a function of this state. The next "emergent" quality will be an "all human consciousness". Or, we are the "brain" of Giai.-I believe in a human species consciousness. It helps explain psychic phenomena which I have seen in action and know are real.(Described before in this website) > > GK: For me, There is a "you". If I take you apart and find "No You" what does that mean? For me, you do exist, "you" are a field that can describe you. Just because I took you apart and found "no piece of you" doesn't lead me to any one conclusion yet. We don't know enough for me to do that.-Very acceptable logic. > > GK: For me, that's what dualism seems to be doing. It has a limited focusing knob. It is either course or fine. Which is ok in many instances. but when we look at "intermediate truth's" (we aren't sure truth's))we may need a "finer incremental" adjusting knob. Maybe not even one. We may not even have to "look through the "glass". Just stand ware we are and talk about it.-I am not doing "coarse or fine". I'm simply observing that emergent is related to its origin but is something somewhat separate.
Complete thread:
- Ourcellves? -
dhw,
2014-04-06, 15:56
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-06, 16:57
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-06, 19:55
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-06, 20:28
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-06, 20:47
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-06, 21:15
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-06, 22:28
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-06, 21:18
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-06, 22:30
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-06, 21:15
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-06, 20:47
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-06, 20:28
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-06, 19:55
- Ourcellves? -
George Jelliss,
2014-04-06, 18:15
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-06, 18:40
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-06, 20:03
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-06, 19:58
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-06, 18:40
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-06, 21:38
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-06, 23:00
- Ourcellves? -
dhw,
2014-04-07, 14:24
- Ourcellves? - romansh, 2014-04-07, 14:56
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-07, 19:10
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-08, 06:30
- Ourcellves? -
dhw,
2014-04-08, 15:59
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-09, 04:36
- Ourcellves? -
dhw,
2014-04-09, 20:31
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-10, 02:55
- Ourcellves? - dhw, 2014-04-10, 20:11
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-10, 02:55
- Ourcellves? -
dhw,
2014-04-09, 20:31
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-09, 04:36
- Ourcellves? -
dhw,
2014-04-08, 15:59
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-06, 23:17
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-07, 00:29
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-07, 02:10
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-07, 00:29
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-07, 01:34
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-07, 02:37
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-08, 12:51
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-08, 14:59
- Ourcellves? - GateKeeper, 2014-04-08, 16:51
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-08, 14:59
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-07, 20:57
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-08, 00:27
- Ourcellves? -
dhw,
2014-04-08, 16:03
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-08, 17:01
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-09, 04:16
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-09, 13:08
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-09, 18:59
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-09, 20:53
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-10, 01:53
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-10, 14:09
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-10, 16:39
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-11, 11:55
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-11, 16:15
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-11, 17:32
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-11, 18:54
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-11, 17:32
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-11, 16:15
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-11, 11:55
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-10, 16:39
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-10, 14:09
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-10, 01:53
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-10, 03:14
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-10, 06:11
- Ourcellves? - GateKeeper, 2014-04-10, 14:32
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-10, 14:25
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-10, 14:55
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-10, 15:53
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-11, 02:44
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-11, 15:32
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-11, 16:22
- Ourcellves? - romansh, 2014-04-12, 01:44
- Ourcellves? -
dhw,
2014-04-12, 12:15
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-12, 15:44
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-12, 16:12
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-12, 16:44
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-12, 19:20
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-12, 20:56
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-12, 21:54
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-13, 18:01
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-13, 19:37
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-13, 18:01
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-12, 21:54
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-12, 20:56
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-12, 19:20
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-12, 16:44
- Ourcellves? -
dhw,
2014-04-13, 21:04
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-13, 22:19
- Ourcellves? -
dhw,
2014-04-14, 10:47
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-14, 15:38
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-14, 20:05
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-26, 18:34
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-26, 18:43
- Ourcellves? - romansh, 2014-04-26, 18:54
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-26, 18:43
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-14, 15:38
- Ourcellves? -
dhw,
2014-04-14, 10:47
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-13, 22:31
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-13, 22:19
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-12, 16:12
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-12, 15:44
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-11, 15:32
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-11, 02:44
- Ourcellves? - David Turell, 2014-04-10, 16:26
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-10, 15:53
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-10, 14:55
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-10, 06:11
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-09, 20:53
- Ourcellves? -
dhw,
2014-04-09, 20:36
- Ourcellves? - romansh, 2014-04-10, 03:42
- Ourcellves? -
David Turell,
2014-04-09, 18:59
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-09, 13:08
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-09, 04:16
- Ourcellves? -
GateKeeper,
2014-04-08, 17:01
- Ourcellves? -
romansh,
2014-04-06, 16:57