Animal Minds (Animals)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 14:48 (4903 days ago) @ David Turell


> Very false analogy. We have 100 billion neurons with 100 billion synapses. It is this complexity that makes it kind, not degree.
> > -No its not. Your demonstration here is one of degree, not kind. All mammals have synapses, all have neurons. Your argument is only that we have more of the same thing, meaning directly that we are different (on the structural level) only in degree. -The only way we are different in kind is in observed behavior.-> > As a caveat, mathematically speaking, each brain you look at is completely different from the next, so technically speaking, there is NO similarity even between the brains of two healthy adult humans (even if they are identical twins). 
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> That comment is totally beside the point. We are discussing the average human brain against any other mammalian brain. The book I mentioned is not yet out but takes Adler's side. Check into it.-I will, but going over my notes from Adler, he was arguing holistically, and he didn't have acess to the more recent studies. Again, you said yourself that chimps are as smart as a 4yr old. Trying to argue kind at that point puts you in hot water.-Dolphins have culture. So do elephants. I think a mistake is in assuming intelligence means cities and industry, tools, and writing. That's applying human standards to creatures that cleary experience the world differently.

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