Animal Minds; how much can we learn about them? (Animals)

by David Turell , Saturday, December 12, 2015, 01:16 (3052 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: I agree that the one-toed horse is a modification, and it does not require the inventive intelligence we see in the whale series.... but I wouldn't call a 3.8-billion-year old computer programme for every evolutionary innovation simple either.-Remember I don't know either whether the program exists. It is just one of several possibilities if God guides evolution.
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> dhw: I have seen pictures of Wally's nest, and I fully acknowledge its extraordinary nature. I am not an expert in weaverbird psychology, but I can't help wondering why your God would go to such trouble to preprogramme the first cells with weaverbird-nest instructions, .... But then I am not an expert in God psychology either.-As above, and before, I have no idea how God guided evolution, but I'm sure he did.-
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> dhw: As a matter of interest, do your ID scientists specifically claim that God preprogrammed the first cells so that evolution would produce human beings plus multiple other organisms, lifestyles and natural wonders whose purpose would be to feed humans?-> DAVID: Many of them don't accept any aspect of Darwin's theory, are not sure evolution occurred as envisioned by you and I. They tend to deride theistic evolution, as does a recent book on the subject (I haven't read it).
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> dhw: So when you claim that you follow and agree with their theories, these do not include the one about God preprogramming the first cells with all the evolutionary innovations from bacteria to humans. So I wonder if there is any scientist on Earth who supports this theory.-Yes, theistic evolutionists, and the Christians in ID hate them.