Animal Minds (Animals)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Saturday, June 11, 2011, 23:20 (4912 days ago) @ David Turell

Some chimps can reason as well as four-year-old kids:
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> > > http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-06-chimps-capable-insightful-ability.html
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> > > But we are "NOT A Chimp"; read the book. Our DNA is really 17% different when all arrangements of genes and other entities in the genome are studied statistically.
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> > In all fairness, you don't see "chimps are human" in the literature. You see "closest living relative."
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> > Also, in light of some new studies done in the last 40 years since Adler's book with other primates--his thesis is seriously undermined.
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> I'm content to do regular battle with you over animal minds. They have midget mentation. Find me a Mozart moose or a Bonobo Beethoven. They do have minimal reasoning capacity, and can be aware of themselves. But aware that they are aware, and write books about it. Don't be silly. We are different in kind. There is your challenge! We were meant to be king of the heap.-I have incredibly immense problems with your last statement here. It is Machiavellan. -There's 2 podcasts I'll find that discuss an old chimp named Lucy who was raised wit humans. (The kicker there was that she was able to combine words for new meanings.) A newer one is a current project at IA State where Bonobos are actually conversing wth us in english.-The ability for language is key to human intelligence. Adler's book never once tackled apes capable of deriving new meanings, which while capped compared to an adult human, the very fact that you can say a chimp is as intelligent as a 4yr old undermines your own argument.

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